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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: OT: "Free speech" becomes a verb & noun...
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2025 15:36:27 -0500
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On 1/31/2025 1:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Jan 31, 2025 at 9:37:23 AM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 1/30/2025 6:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>   On Jan 30, 2025 at 2:43:15 PM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>   
>>>>   On 1/30/2025 4:02 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>     On Jan 30, 2025 at 12:13:03 PM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>     
>>>>>>     On 1/30/2025 1:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>       On Jan 30, 2025 at 9:47:35 AM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>       On 1/29/2025 11:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>         On Jan 29, 2025 at 8:37:20 PM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>     "Trump administration to cancel student visas of pro-Palestinian
>>>>>>>>>>     protesters"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-administration-cancel-student-visas-all-hamas-sympathizers-white-house-2025-01-29/
>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>   It's a deportable offense under the U.S. Code for a resident alien to
>>>>>>>>>   advocate for or express support for a terrorist organization.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       So then, I'm guessing this administration would've championed
>>>>>>>>       deportations from Skokie in '77.  What do you think?
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>     Was there a designated terrorist organization involved in Skokie, and were
>>>>>>>     the participants resident aliens or American citizens?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Is "pro-Palestine" a terrorist organization?
>>>>>     
>>>>>     Nice try. Waving the actual flag of Hamas is not simply 'pro-Palestine'.
>>>>>     Neither is chanting the official Hamas motto from its own charter:
>>>>> "From the
>>>>>     river to the sea."
>>>>>     
>>>>>>        Is pro-Nazi not?
>>>>>     
>>>>>     The American Nazi Party was not a designated terrorist organization and
>>>>> even
>>>>>     if it was, all those marching were American citizens, not resident aliens.
>>>>
>>>>   "A designated terrorist organization" sounds a lot like "It's different
>>>>   when WE do it".
>>>   
>>>   Regardless, if a group hasn't been listed as a designated terrorist group by
>>>   the Department of State, then the statute does not apply. Back in the 70s,
>>>   when the Skokie march occurred, the American Nazi Party was not a designated
>>>   terrorist organization, nor were the participants foreign nationals.
>>>   
>>>>   Trump is punishing these students for their speech
>>>   
>>>   No, he's enforcing American immigration law, something that you apparently
>>>   can't stand, and which Biden failed to do for four straight years. No,
>>> that's
>>>   wrong. Biden didn't fail to do it. That implies a lack of intent. He refused
>>>   to do it.
>>>   
>>>>   once again leveraging populist spleen to flout bedrock American principles.
>>>   
>>>   It's not an American principle to allow agents of violent foreign jihadists
>>>   that hate America to come to this country and radicalize our own population
>>> to
>>>   their cause. That is in no way, shape, or form something the 1st Amendment
>>> was
>>>   intended to protect.
>>>   
>>>>     I can't fathom any free-speech advocate's support of this.
>>>   
>>>   Well, I can't fathom your constant opposition to most of what the 1st
>>>   Amendment *does* protect, so we'll call it a wash.
>>
>> Call it a whitewash, because it is.  These students are being punished
>> for voicing support of Palestine
> 
> If they're hoisting the flag of Hamas and chanting "from the river to the
> sea", then they're doing a lot more than voicing support for Palestine.
> American citizens are allowed to do that but if you're a guest in our country
> you better be on your best behavior and not go all in for a terrorist
> organization that advocates for the destruction of America.
> 
> We don't need you here. You have no right to be here. So endorsing a group
> whose stated goal is the destruction of our country (along with Israel) while
> here as our guest has consequences. Fuck around and find out.
> 
>> Suffice to suppose that, if this deportation initiative were Democratic,
>> you'd be apoplectic.
> 
> I'd be apoplectic because I'd be shocked to my core that the current crop of
> Democrats were actually deporting anyone for anything.
> 
> My idiotic mayor, fresh off her spectacularly appalling performance during the
> wildfires, was on TV yesterday reassuring "the immigrant community" that the
> city of Los Angeles will protect you from ICE no matter what crimes you've
> committed. She's literally on TV telling rapists, murderers, thieves, and
> narco-traffickers that she has their back.
> 
> Never mind that "the immigrant community" she's so worried about has no desire
> to have those violent shitbags turned loose on their streets any more than
> anyone else does.

I get that you're pleased with the practical result of Trump's vendetta, 
just as (I assume) you're pleased that we've let Trump skate on 
attempted election corruption.  I just can't see how you're comfortable 
with the cost to our basic principles (...with more likely to follow).