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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: The set of necessary FISONs Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2025 13:46:50 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 28 Message-ID: <vnl53p$3ae7$2@dont-email.me> References: <vmo1bs$1rnl$1@dont-email.me> <vmvn1h$25r19$1@dont-email.me> <27377646-137a-4f8f-a7bb-a75707b2da96@att.net> <vn2gcf$2ouuo$2@dont-email.me> <d90c478d-6806-4ffe-83be-a5d7674bb5e3@att.net> <b82a0915-400a-4f77-9309-44eef432e9f4@att.net> <vn50eo$3kgi6$2@dont-email.me> <4d349964-211f-42f1-936f-81c22ae54cb5@att.net> <vn7vns$ra97$2@dont-email.me> <e3f89d8c-d214-453a-91f4-9023e744fed2@att.net> <vna72s$1ng1k$2@dont-email.me> <6e0c8ab2-402a-43a5-a348-0c727eae6a2e@att.net> <vnat4s$1s6ha$4@dont-email.me> <e43b1c65-4424-4e0c-9b2e-65e0e463815b@att.net> <vnconr$29v5v$1@dont-email.me> <87e2e677c7802c9c17df6063f340cb5857d5700b@i2pn2.org> <vnd4h8$2c0st$1@dont-email.me> <c50fde56e7e0c4cf4842d4944ea3d1917c75eb41@i2pn2.org> <vnfftp$2rv3t$1@dont-email.me> <680d4249c9bf1504231a53732ac5096184261495@i2pn2.org> <vngumj$34ss1$6@dont-email.me> <cd065ba19fec984c56ff3e76f230ff489da351a5@i2pn2.org> <vnifll$3gitr$1@dont-email.me> <f5a14ac6e51fafb07fe14019f9a7c53fa7dffdd5@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2025 13:46:49 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="da04d2022480a4d505d9dab40361bbbb"; logging-data="108999"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+l9EKtEsdSjLxS+dGb+oKoAJ0fjXTMzBM=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:Yi001gqEA2BwXhMapHhjPjBQFGE= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <f5a14ac6e51fafb07fe14019f9a7c53fa7dffdd5@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 2893 On 31.01.2025 18:51, joes wrote: > Am Fri, 31 Jan 2025 13:28:35 +0100 schrieb WM: >> then all can be discarded, > No, only finitely consecutive ones. Induction concerns all natural numbers n as well as all A(n). > >>>> But all F(n) can be shown to be completely useless because infinitely >>>> many natnumbers are missing. >>> Again: every single one, or even an arbitrary finite number. >>> If you have inf. many segments, you obviously have inf. many numbers. >> All finite natural numbers as well as all FISONs obey the Peano axioms. > All naturals are finite. FISONs are not naturals but sets and can’t be > added together. FISONs represent ordinals. > >> Removing all leaves nothing, in particular no sufficient set for >> U(F(n)) = ℕ. > It is obvious that N is not empty. But the set claimed to have the union ℕ gets empty without changing its union. Regards, WM