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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: The set of necessary FISONs Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2025 10:03:38 -0500 Organization: Peripheral Visions Lines: 21 Message-ID: <vnld4h$5abc$1@dont-email.me> References: <vmo1bs$1rnl$1@dont-email.me> <27377646-137a-4f8f-a7bb-a75707b2da96@att.net> <vn2gcf$2ouuo$2@dont-email.me> <d90c478d-6806-4ffe-83be-a5d7674bb5e3@att.net> <b82a0915-400a-4f77-9309-44eef432e9f4@att.net> <vn50eo$3kgi6$2@dont-email.me> <4d349964-211f-42f1-936f-81c22ae54cb5@att.net> <vn7vns$ra97$2@dont-email.me> <e3f89d8c-d214-453a-91f4-9023e744fed2@att.net> <vna72s$1ng1k$2@dont-email.me> <6e0c8ab2-402a-43a5-a348-0c727eae6a2e@att.net> <vnat4s$1s6ha$4@dont-email.me> <e43b1c65-4424-4e0c-9b2e-65e0e463815b@att.net> <vnconr$29v5v$1@dont-email.me> <87e2e677c7802c9c17df6063f340cb5857d5700b@i2pn2.org> <vnd4h8$2c0st$1@dont-email.me> <c50fde56e7e0c4cf4842d4944ea3d1917c75eb41@i2pn2.org> <vnfftp$2rv3t$1@dont-email.me> <680d4249c9bf1504231a53732ac5096184261495@i2pn2.org> <vngumj$34ss1$6@dont-email.me> <cd065ba19fec984c56ff3e76f230ff489da351a5@i2pn2.org> <vnifll$3gitr$1@dont-email.me> <f5a14ac6e51fafb07fe14019f9a7c53fa7dffdd5@i2pn2.org> <vnl53p$3ae7$2@dont-email.me> Reply-To: erratic.howard@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2025 16:03:46 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1bf6a927ce93676c81f3ec3c3fa54842"; logging-data="174444"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1++X7O1lvk04m0Hll/vqWlLihiyZ4YAEW4=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:cDw9ju7J6iaddYZyypIcTf1bZ4Y= X-Newsreader: MesNews/1.08.06.00-gb X-ICQ: 1701145376 Bytes: 2786 WM submitted this idea : > On 31.01.2025 18:51, joes wrote: >> Am Fri, 31 Jan 2025 13:28:35 +0100 schrieb WM: > >>> then all can be discarded, >> No, only finitely consecutive ones. > > Induction concerns all natural numbers n as well as all A(n). >> >>>>> But all F(n) can be shown to be completely useless because infinitely >>>>> many natnumbers are missing. >>>> Again: every single one, or even an arbitrary finite number. >>>> If you have inf. many segments, you obviously have inf. many numbers. >>> All finite natural numbers as well as all FISONs obey the Peano axioms. >> All naturals are finite. FISONs are not naturals but sets and can’t be >> added together. > > FISONs represent ordinals. They represent the finite ordinals. The set of all FISONs represents the first transfinite ordinal. FISONs also represent finite cardinals.