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Op 31/01/2025 om 12:46 schreef Ruud Harmsen:
> Sun, 26 Jan 2025 00:04:02 +0100: guido wugi <wugi@brol.invalid>
> scribeva:
>
>> Op 24/01/2025 om 21:37 schreef Stefan Ram:
>>> guido wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> wrote or quoted:
>>>> In the page of the location itself the pronunciation [la alta???asja],
>>>> typically ignoring the different a-sounds for Spanish (as they're not
>>>> phonemic but only phonetic, or non-existing altogether for some
>>>> unwilling ears).
>>>     Even Canepari only sees an [a] sound there in phonetic
>>>     transcription.
>>>
>>>     But then he's like, hold up, if you really zero in, you can
>>>     tell apart [[a?]] (advanced), [[a?]] (retracted), and [[a?]]
>>>     (raised). He drops some examples that'll make your ears perk up:
>>>
>>>     mirra, caña, alto, and junta.
>> I'm happy with two, a short and a longish. Much as Latin is pronounced. So:
>> Alta Gra:cia. Anda:r.
> So dynamic stress also comes with some length?
>
>> There's also two kinds of e, and vowel length variation for all.
>> My wife and family say mu:cho:, like du:ro: but burro:.
> Part of that also explainable by stress. And because the rr is longer
> and more intensive, there is less time left for the u. I suppose.
>
>> Burro: but burros.
>> Things like that. Ignored or denied by youknowwho anyway. But obvious
>> in, eg, Argentina, well, not by everybody but they're there alright.

I attribute it to vulgar-latin inheritance, such as we still pronounce it.
Stress comes into it, and consonant lengths, but not only.
My wife and our family and acquaintances there say, eg,
mu:cho and trucho.
un évènto. Péro and pèrro.
So much for distinguishing only five vowels and no length difference. 
Admittedly without meaning content (=phonetic, not phonemic), but there 
alright. Yet it's also true that in Iberic (and some Argentines') speech 
I hear much less variation (apart from the é/è one, always there).

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