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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: Karen Bass Tweets That Did Not Age Well
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2025 15:24:33 -0500
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On 2/1/2025 1:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Feb 1, 2025 at 9:14:44 AM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 1/31/2025 6:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>   On Jan 31, 2025 at 3:14:46 PM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>   
>>>>   On 1/31/2025 5:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>     On Jan 31, 2025 at 2:16:36 PM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         Every archangel has a Lucifer in him.
>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>         According to the Christian theology, that's literally not true.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       Why not? Can there be only one?
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>       Yes, Lucifer was unique.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Iirc, Lucifer started out as an archangel-in-good-standing ...i.e., like
>>>>>>     all the others are now.
>>>>>     
>>>>>     Right, but it turned out he was inherently different and the only one
>>>>> to be
>>>>>     so.
>>>>
>>>>   Before he soured on things, there was no difference.
>>>   
>>>   There was, just no one (other than god, one presumes) knew it.
>>
>> We can't know what God knew or didn't know.
> 
> Sure we can. We're told several times throughout Christian mythology that god
> is omniscient. That means he literally knows everything. Either god knew that
> Lucifer was different and that he was going to rebel against him or god is not
> omniscient.
> 
> This is why the Christian concept of 'free will' doesn't hold up to logical
> scrutiny. An omniscient god will know every detail of my life before I've even
> lived it. If god knows I'm going to marry a woman named Jennifer on May 10,
> 2032, then I have no choice in the matter. I *will* marry that woman whether I
> want to or not. From my perspective it may appear like I'm making the choice
> and that I have free will but I actually have no choice. My fate was sealed
> before I was even born.

But, not being God, we can't conceive of such omniscience, and are thus 
doomed by Him to treat only with things we *can* see and know.  And one 
such thing is that there was an archangel who was not rebellious who 
became so.  And, since God hasn't promised it won't happen again, our 
human reasoning tells us it's possible (...especially if God wills it).