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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: OT: "Free speech" becomes a verb & noun...
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2025 15:49:59 -0500
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On 2/1/2025 12:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Feb 1, 2025 at 9:04:13 AM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 1/31/2025 6:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>   On Jan 31, 2025 at 3:25:01 PM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>   
>>>>   On 1/31/2025 5:45 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>     On Jan 31, 2025 at 2:20:52 PM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>     
>>>>>>     On 1/31/2025 4:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>       On Jan 31, 2025 at 12:36:27 PM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>       On 1/31/2025 1:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>         On Jan 31, 2025 at 9:37:23 AM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>         On 1/30/2025 6:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>           On Jan 30, 2025 at 2:43:15 PM PST, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>           On 1/30/2025 4:02 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             On Jan 30, 2025 at 12:13:03 PM PST, "moviePig"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             On 1/30/2025 1:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               On Jan 30, 2025 at 9:47:35 AM PST, "moviePig"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               On 1/29/2025 11:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 On Jan 29, 2025 at 8:37:20 PM PST, "moviePig"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             "Trump administration to cancel student visas of pro-Palestinian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             protesters"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-administration-cancel-student-visas-all-hamas-sympathizers-white-house-2025-01-29/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           It's a deportable offense under the U.S. Code for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resident alien to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           advocate for or express support for a terrorist organization.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               So then, I'm guessing this administration would've championed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               deportations from Skokie in '77.  What do you think?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             Was there a designated terrorist organization involved in Skokie,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       and were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             the participants resident aliens or American citizens?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             Is "pro-Palestine" a terrorist organization?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             Nice try. Waving the actual flag of Hamas is not simply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     'pro-Palestine'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             Neither is chanting the official Hamas motto from its own charter:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         "From the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             river to the sea."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                Is pro-Nazi not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             The American Nazi Party was not a designated terrorist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     organization and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             if it was, all those marching were American citizens, not resident
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       aliens.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>           "A designated terrorist organization" sounds a lot like "It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>   different
>>>>>>>>>>>>           when WE do it".
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>           Regardless, if a group hasn't been listed as a designated terrorist
>>>>>>>>>>>       group by
>>>>>>>>>>>           the Department of State, then the statute does not apply. Back in
>>>>>>>>>>>     the 70s,
>>>>>>>>>>>           when the Skokie march occurred, the American Nazi Party was not a
>>>>>>>>>>>       designated
>>>>>>>>>>>           terrorist organization, nor were the participants foreign nationals.
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>           Trump is punishing these students for their speech
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>           No, he's enforcing American immigration law, something that you
>>>>>>>>>>>     apparently
>>>>>>>>>>>           can't stand, and which Biden failed to do for four straight
>>>>>>>>>>> years. No,
>>>>>>>>>>>         that's
>>>>>>>>>>>           wrong. Biden didn't fail to do it. That implies a lack of intent. He
>>>>>>>>>>>       refused
>>>>>>>>>>>           to do it.
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>           once again leveraging populist spleen to flout bedrock American
>>>>>>>>>>>>       principles.
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>           It's not an American principle to allow agents of violent foreign
>>>>>>>>>>>       jihadists
>>>>>>>>>>>           that hate America to come to this country and radicalize our own
>>>>>>>>>>>       population
>>>>>>>>>>>         to
>>>>>>>>>>>           their cause. That is in no way, shape, or form something the 1st
>>>>>>>>>>>     Amendment
>>>>>>>>>>>         was
>>>>>>>>>>>           intended to protect.
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>             I can't fathom any free-speech advocate's support of this.
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>           Well, I can't fathom your constant opposition to most of
>>>>>>>>>>> what the 1st
>>>>>>>>>>>           Amendment *does* protect, so we'll call it a wash.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         Call it a whitewash, because it is.  These students are being punished
>>>>>>>>>>         for voicing support of Palestine
>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>         If they're hoisting the flag of Hamas and chanting "from the river
>>>>>>>>>   to the
>>>>>>>>>         sea", then they're doing a lot more than voicing support for
>>>>>>>>> Palestine.
>>>>>>>>>         American citizens are allowed to do that but if you're a guest in our
>>>>>>>>>       country
>>>>>>>>>         you better be on your best behavior and not go all in for a terrorist
>>>>>>>>>         organization that advocates for the destruction of America.
>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>         We don't need you here. You have no right to be here. So endorsing
>>>>>>>>>   a group
>>>>>>>>>         whose stated goal is the destruction of our country (along with
>>>>>>>>> Israel)
>>>>>>>>>       while
>>>>>>>>>         here as our guest has consequences. Fuck around and find out.
>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>         Suffice to suppose that, if this deportation initiative were
>>>>>>>>>> Democratic,
>>>>>>>>>>         you'd be apoplectic.
>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>         I'd be apoplectic because I'd be shocked to my core that the current
>>>>>>>>>     crop of
>>>>>>>>>         Democrats were actually deporting anyone for anything.
>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>         My idiotic mayor, fresh off her spectacularly appalling performance
>>>>>>>>>   during
>>>>>>>>>       the
>>>>>>>>>         wildfires, was on TV yesterday reassuring "the immigrant community"
>>>>>>>>>     that the
>>>>>>>>>         city of Los Angeles will protect you from ICE no matter what crimes
>>>>>>>>>   you've
>>>>>>>>>         committed. She's literally on TV telling rapists, murderers,
>>>>>>>>>   thieves, and
>>>>>>>>>         narco-traffickers that she has their back.
>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>         Never mind that "the immigrant community" she's so worried
>>>>>>>>> about has no
>>>>>>>>>       desire
>>>>>>>>>         to have those violent shitbags turned loose on their streets any
>>>>>>>>>   more than
>>>>>>>>>         anyone else does.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       I get that you're pleased with the practical result of Trump's vendetta,
>>>>>>>>       just as (I assume) you're pleased that we've let Trump skate on
>>>>>>>>       attempted election corruption.  I just can't see how you're comfortable
>>>>>>>>       with the cost to our basic principles (...with more likely to follow).
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>       What basic principles require us to tolerate the presence of illegal
>>>>>>>   aliens
>>>>>>>     at
>>>>>>>       all, let alone illegal aliens that commit depraved violent crimes
>>>>>>> against
>>>>>>>     our
>>>>>>>       citizens?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     So, the ends justify the means?
>>>>>     
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