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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Press Release Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2025 09:19:24 -0600 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 71 Message-ID: <vno2du$o0mp$1@dont-email.me> References: <vnjpnh$3oj9f$1@dont-email.me> <sfrqpjt6dpeahbpc9ra1qt0s8obce51gd1@4ax.com> <m062llFhjspU1@mid.individual.net> <ofvrpjl5m05uno2e09g25h540ov221uk9n@4ax.com> <vnl8o5$48gg$1@dont-email.me> <18jtpjdi3tvo0i3f8r4c51v7vg6b5ar79m@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2025 16:19:27 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="bb4dd31694445b124ca2380d3ec75a43"; logging-data="787161"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19GC5eM+nj0jNn2m+KvSB7r" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:2hGeUOhk7Z0eWi4JO/hgEDrSIpw= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <18jtpjdi3tvo0i3f8r4c51v7vg6b5ar79m@4ax.com> Bytes: 3672 On 2/1/2025 7:41 PM, John B. wrote: > On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 07:48:55 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: > >> On 2/1/2025 5:01 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >>> On 1 Feb 2025 08:00:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 18:26:26 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> https://nplusbikes.com/collections/electric-bikes/products/city-edition >>>>> >>>>> If they're giving them away, you can have mine. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> C'est bon >>>>> Soloman >>>>> >>>> >>>> I’m bit confused as to their market to be honest, but I’m possibly out of >>>> touch but while I see E MTB in that sort of price range, and Cargo bikes >>>> both of which make sense, carbon E bikes for commuting? I’m less convinced >>>> by and certainly don’t see examples on London’s streets. >>>> >>>> To be fair the speed limiter would come into play, the folks who cycling in >>>> to the city from South West London would be averaging that sort of speed >>>> some above. As the roads cycle lanes allow for moving fast, so one can >>>> cycle the 15/20 miles in a hour ish. >>>> >>>> Roger Merriman >>> >>> If I ever want to ride a fast motorcycle again, I think I'd go with a >>> Ducati this time. >>> >>> https://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/014424/ducati-monster-1200-s-2017-zubehoer-1.jpg >>> >>> -- >>> C'est bon >>> Soloman >> >> Yep, as so often the best choice is usually Italian. > > > Yep... to be made in Thailand :-) > https://www.bikewale.com/news/ducati-scrambler-will-be-made-in-thailand/ > Given Italian taxes and labor law, that makes perfect sense. For the same reason Campagnolo product is made in Romania (with Italian engineering and tooling). Average industrial labor wage : USA $28.34 Italy $16.96 Romania $10.40 Thailand $2.69 https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/wages-in-manufacturing https://economicsinsider.com/average-salary-rankings-in-europe-top-and-lowest-paying-countries/ NB- With some uncertainty. I assumed 40 hour week and 2000 hour year ("union year") but IIRC Thai and other Asian workers commonly work longer per day and six day weeks so wage above may in fact be lower. And AFAIK, being a long term customer, Thai labor is no less skilled. -- Andrew Muzi am@yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971