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From: MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: Paradoxes
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2025 17:46:59 +1100
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On 3/02/2025 4:34 am, Mark Isaak wrote:
> On 1/26/25 11:40 AM, MarkE wrote:
>> On 27/01/2025 6:31 am, Mark Isaak wrote:
>>> On 1/25/25 8:54 PM, MarkE wrote:
>>>> On 26/01/2025 2:56 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 26 Jan 2025 14:08:35 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> Vince, what do you really want to discuss, and why?
>>>>>
>>>>> Whether supernatural intervention per se is a properly formed
>>>>> scientific hypothesis.  My position is that it's not; in fact it may
>>>>> be not just anti-science but anti-intellectual as well.  I think this
>>>>> is something that could bear some clarification in ID/evolution
>>>>> debates.  For example, what distinguishes supernatural intervention
>>>>> from superstition?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I suggest a first step is to establish a logical and complete set of 
>>>> overarching possibilities, which I would state as:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Either the universe has always existed or it came into existence 
>>>> without supernatural intervention, and in either case it develops 
>>>> without supernatural intervention; or
>>>> 2. The universe came into existence with supernatural intervention, 
>>>> and/ or it develops with supernatural intervention
>>>>
>>>> Would you agree with this, or how would you put it?
>>>
>>> Since "supernatural" is undefined, both statements are effectively 
>>> meaningless. There is nothing to agree or disagree with.
>>>
>>
>> My attempt at incremental approach from first principles doesn't seem 
>> to be working for us. Instead, what are your thoughts on my recent 
>> post "Roger Penrose can’t escape an ultimate explanation for the 
>> universe"?
> 
> I seem to have missed your post. I saw that you posted a long essay by 
> ChatSTD (or whatever it's called), but I see no reason even to read a 
> computer's rehash of other people's ideas, 99% of which, famously, are 
> crap. Did you yourself have something to say?
> 

Oh yes. You just didn't engage with it.