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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: The set of necessary FISONs Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2025 12:59:15 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 33 Message-ID: <vnqb2k$188h0$1@dont-email.me> References: <vmo1bs$1rnl$1@dont-email.me> <814297ada299a65bb9f427ddec5646afcc94be9f@i2pn2.org> <vn85es$u7pk$2@dont-email.me> <f753327bd316219fc9f04a8626b725956bfe8c9a@i2pn2.org> <vna675$1ng1j$1@dont-email.me> <b9a5e6e3397b079bfb37f810d53d3491a400b3d6@i2pn2.org> <vnasam$1s6ha$3@dont-email.me> <95ac176b19f1c24772a2ee73b3a12fe494da1241@i2pn2.org> <vncqhg$29v5v$3@dont-email.me> <vncsrh$2anj5$1@dont-email.me> <993b552f-7ab8-4a0b-a308-4748f20efb95@tha.de> <vndcal$2dft2$1@dont-email.me> <vnffdk$2rv3s$3@dont-email.me> <9e3c198cdfa1b264a1e30723ff18538f02e59af0@i2pn2.org> <vngjss$31ubc$1@dont-email.me> <d89c793e1e0a14f531ef1699066785dfd6b4b98b@i2pn2.org> <vni886$3f2gg$2@dont-email.me> <2f96b3bb86a9cd97239dbb6dfefe1a110cde63f5@i2pn2.org> <vnl3pu$3ae7$1@dont-email.me> <9906c80826629d0969b3f6eb9f731c69465faaa6@i2pn2.org> <vnl87r$3ae7$3@dont-email.me> <eb1332f289a53b5f85af64dcb1e2c9a584edced8@i2pn2.org> <vnnjji$knr7$6@dont-email.me> <31a3690769165467190929addc8f1308fc8d6d66@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2025 12:59:18 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c18b476823b5321779f9f8668e16b24c"; logging-data="1319456"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19C01K5V3CLyWjiJwC9Fj8KIOXSzzMTuKg=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:G/NLOoMtWOksah0z3HQ2hp480AA= In-Reply-To: <31a3690769165467190929addc8f1308fc8d6d66@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3117 On 02.02.2025 18:41, joes wrote: > Am Sun, 02 Feb 2025 12:06:26 +0100 schrieb WM: >> On 01.02.2025 19:42, joes wrote: >>> Am Sat, 01 Feb 2025 14:40:12 +0100 schrieb WM: >> Mathematical induction is a method for proving that a statement P(n) is >> true for every natural number n that is, that the infinitely many cases >> P(0),P(1),P(2),P(3),... all hold. [Wikipedia] > And you want the wrong P(ω) to hold, but you cannot remove infinitely > many segments. What does Peano create by n => n+1? Is it all natural numbers? Why does induction n => n+1 not cover all FISONs. > This is different from all P(n) which together say > you can remove any finite *number of* segments (not the segments > themselves). What is the difference to Peano? > Do you get that? Not yet. I cannot see a difference between Peano's application of n => n+1 and my application of n => n+1. > There is no infinite segment, but > there *are* infinitely many. Like the natural numbers created by Peano? Does he create the set ℕ? Does Zermelo by the same technique create the set ℕ? Regards, WM