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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: Press Release
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2025 07:47:06 -0600
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On 2/2/2025 8:38 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> writes:
> 
>> On 2/2/2025 6:38 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 1 Feb 2025 08:00:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 18:26:26 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://nplusbikes.com/collections/electric-bikes/products/city-edition
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If they're giving them away, you can have mine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m bit confused as to their market to be honest, but I’m possibly out of
>>>>> touch but while I see E MTB in that sort of price range, and Cargo bikes
>>>>> both of which make sense, carbon E bikes for commuting?  I’m less convinced
>>>>> by and certainly don’t see examples on London’s streets.
>>>>>
>>>>> To be fair the speed limiter would come into play, the folks who cycling in
>>>>> to the city from South West London would be averaging that sort of speed
>>>>> some above. As the roads cycle lanes allow for moving fast, so one can
>>>>> cycle the 15/20 miles in a hour ish.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can't comment for England but here I can buy a brand new motor bike
>>>> for as low as 10,000 Thai Baht and a more expensive Supercub for
>>>> 60,000 T.B.
>>>> That is U.S. Dollars $299 and $1498.
>>>>
>>>> Worst case is about 1 Supercub and 2,500 gallons of gasoline :-)
>>> While bikes certainly are expensive, for various reasons mainly
>>> bikes are
>>> much more separated with both models add in different equipment specs and
>>> sizes.
>>> Even road bikes, have Race bikes, Aero, endurance, Gravel which is
>>> split
>>> often into race and explore, and so on.
>>> This said a moped from a known brand is around 3k which is about the
>>> same
>>> as decent full suspension MTB, quite a bit more than a hybrid to get around
>>> town be that electric which would be around 1k or half that for analogue.
>>> Getting an off road motorcycle with the ability to cope with,
>>> similar
>>> terrain as for example my Trance your into the 6K mark.
>>> Flipping back to the utility side, cargo bikes can carry safely
>>> carry
>>> kids/stuff start around the 2k mark and climb rapidly to around 10k but
>>> they are more car replacements, generally doing the school run, which with
>>> the best will in the world isn’t done by moped or motorcycles.
>>> So yes bikes can be expensive but the answer isn’t particularly
>>> simple.
>>> Roger Merriman
>>
>>
>> "answer isn’t particularly simple"
>>
>>
>> Right you are! With perhaps some apples and oranges comparisons.
>>
>> Crappy small 2 cycle two wheelers from china are so cheap in India
>> (with local final assembly) that they are crushing the bicycle selling
>> business. There are not Ducatis!
>>
>> And for 'bicycle', some may look to the sort of thing we might
>> ride. The average bicycle in USA is $409 and of course half are below
>> average!
> 
> Half are below median.  If "average" means "mean", then almost certainly
> more than half are below.
> 

Oops. You're right.

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Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
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