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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Division by zero Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2025 17:51:05 +0200 Organization: - Lines: 95 Message-ID: <vnqol9$1bbt6$1@dont-email.me> References: <m063e7FhjrnU1@mid.individual.net> <vnkpup$1f33$1@dont-email.me> <m08j18FtovhU1@mid.individual.net> <vnne00$kfok$1@dont-email.me> <m0bb5pFcl1hU1@mid.individual.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2025 16:51:05 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="529d25e102ee216c4d838cfa14aa84f5"; logging-data="1421222"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/s9QmbmUw8A5pE/4rHhPQ2" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:/VVHepZI3N1ROIafpxzVKaL3D0k= Bytes: 4427 On 2025-02-03 07:56:53 +0000, Thomas Heger said: > Am Sonntag000002, 02.02.2025 um 10:30 schrieb Mikko: > >>>>> Hi NG >>>>> >>>>> I'm actually not really certain, but found an error in Einstein's 'On >>>>> the electrodynamics of moving bodies' which is quite serious. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> See page six, roughly in the middle: >>>>> >>>>> There we find an equation, which says this: >>>>> >>>>> ∂τ/∂y= 0 >>>> >>>> Do you mean on page 899 (9th page of the article) in §3? >>>> The operation is not division but a partial derivative. >> >> You should answer this question. It is not useful to talk without telling >> what you are talking about. >> > I'm referring to the English translation, which can be found here > > https://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/ > > The English pdf version has other page numbers than the original article. > > But in a way, these original page numbers are also possible as reference. > > But unfortunately I have here only the English version (the German I > have on a different computer). > > So I have to tell you the page from the English version or make the > meant part available to you by other means. > > So, § 3 was meant and roughly the middle, which can be found on page 6 > of the English pdf version. > > And you are absolutely right, that a partial derivative was meant. > > The problem was: of which function was a partial derivative meant? He obviously means the function needed to determine τ. It does not matter whether he means the function from x, y, z, t or x', y, z, t as ∂/∂y is the same in both cases. > Einstein didn't define the used variables and simply assumed, the > reader would know anyhow, what he had in mind. Variables are clearly defined. For example, x, y, z, and t are defined as the coordinates of the system K. > But that wasn't particularly easy, because Einstein used the symbol τ > for three different types of objects. > > a) the time values of clocks in system k were named τ > > b) a function τ was derived, which should serve as coordinate > transformation between system K and system k Although modern mathematicians don't consider that correct, it is common to use the same symbol for a quantity and for a function that computes that quantity. It is obvious from the context which is meant: function name is used with arguments, the quantity name without. > c) this function take (kind of) four-vectors of K as input and spits > out four-vectors in k as output, while these output vectors were also > called τ. Nowhere in the article is any vector called τ. > This was rather nasty, because it could lead to several errors, if you > try to interpret Einstein's intentions. A careless reader may get a wrong idea but the target audience could understand it. > And I have actually fallen in one of these traps, because I had > regarded τ as time-value, while actually the function τ of case b) was > meant. That function is a time-valued function. You are not in the target audience of the article. Nobody still alive is. Therefore your comprehension problems are not an indication of a defect in the article. The article is incomplete. It only presents some core ideas. In later articles Einstein filled gaps in the reasoning and extended to other problems. -- Mikko