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From: pothead <pothead@snakebite.com>
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Subject: Re: Gaming Laptops
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2025 00:45:06 -0000 (UTC)
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On 2025-02-04, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 2/3/2025 3:10 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote at 14:05 this Sunday (GMT):
>>> Paul wrote:
>>>
>>>> vallor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> After updating it to Linux Mint 22.1, and while looking at the output
>>>>> of lspci(8), discovered this:
>>>>>
>>>>> 0000:00:08.0 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 12th Gen Core Processor 
>>>>> Gaussian & Neural Accelerator (rev 02)
>>>>>
>>>>> There's an out-of-tree driver Linux driver for it, and apparently Intel
>>>>> is working to get it into the Linux kernel.
>>>>>

>>>>> Having said that, can't imagine why I'd use it.  (I guess perhaps Windows
>>>>> Copilot might use it, but I'll defer to others regarding whether or not
>>>>> that is the case.)
>>>>
>>>> Your guess is as good as any.
>>>>
>>>> https://edc.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/ipla/software-development-platforms/client/platforms/alder-lake-desktop/12th-generation-intel-core-processors-datasheet-volume-1-of-2/003/intel-gmm-and-neural-network-accelerator/
>>>>
>>>> Even the person making a URL for the article, was running out of letters.
>>>
>>> Interesting.  I hadn't even heard of this GNA thingy before.
>>>
>>>> In a strange twist of fate, it's being used as a Direct Render Manager "thingy".
>>>> No resource goes wasted, I would guess.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-GNA-To-DRM-Driver
>>>
>>> The article notes that Linux does not yet have a dedicated AI
>>> accelerator subsystem.  I wonder when that's coming, and if we should
>>> be afraid.
>> 
>> 
>> Well, I probably won't use it, but that is I /guess/ neat.
>> 
>
> The NVidia driver and the CUDA kit, are the most likely to expose
> the bottom layer of a model you might want. The rest of a desired model
> or activity, could run in userspace.
>
> AMD also has capabilities, but they tend to be packaged
> in the most expensive cards (7900XTX). And due to the level of market
> penetration, AMD does not currently have a large portion of the
> high end video card market. The number of people adding AMD kits
> to their PC, that's going to be a smaller number of people.
>
> But once some hardware drivers are in there, for one thing or another,
> the models you want to experiment with, will be in userspace.
> Maybe you get a copy of LMStudio and their launcher,
> and load something on your system. With the understanding that the
> datacenter version has a lot more hardware horsepower (but
> still gives answers relatively slowly).
>
> There are people who have been working on ONNX/DirectML for
> the last four years, but it's hard to say how many of
> those efforts are ready for prime time.
>
> I only learned a tiny bit about this, from someone who wrote in
> and complained his astronomy program wasn't running right. And
> that's an image processor that uses Machine Learning to
> adaptively process astronomy pictures. The code was basically
> malfunctioning, right at the stage it was running hardware
> detection, and the program would not load while it was
> figuring out that only the user CPU was available. The
> code was tripping up poking hardware that could not
> possibly do the job for him. And it turns out there are a
> lot of libraries and stuff to load, to do all those
> detection processes properly. An "abomination of initialization".
> And I could see that taking at least another year, to set right.
> That's not a job for the program dev to fix, it's a library
> developer issue.
>
> One way to set that one right, would be to have a control panel,
> with a "CPU button", click the CPU button and tell the initialization code
> to "go away and stop bothering me" :-)
>
> I've had this problem, on a few attempts to run unique things.
> I could get the CPU to run the demo. I couldn't get my video
> card to run it. The setup just refused, and I'd loaded all
> the drivers and the CUDA kit. The correct version of everything
> is nicely packaged by Canonical for you to use. That wasn't the problem.
> I've had other situations, where I was trying to build a package
> that involved CUDA, the compile stopped and it would tell me
> "library mismatch". But it would not tell me what version the
> two incompatible ends were using, so I could figure out which
> 2GB thing I needed to download. That's the value the packaging
> guys add to your distro, is they make sure a reasonable set of
> aligned things are available in the tree.
>
> But with computers, not everything in life is like a trip
> to the restaurant. A plate does not come out with your meal
> ready to eat. Instead, with computers, it's like the grocery store,
> you have a bunch of potential ingredients, but you have to cook them.
> And there are lots of ways to screw that up. Maybe your oven
> isn't big enough to cook a water buffalo.
>
>    Paul

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This.
Good poast.

-- 
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