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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: "The Truth about GPS. Co-inventor of GPS says Relativity Not Required." by Brent Shadbolt Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2025 22:03:14 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 61 Message-ID: <vo37ss$344dp$2@dont-email.me> References: <b939f14e2c64d1240a4a091cd4a769ae@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2025 22:00:13 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="fd1cde2e80f0dd83b6f8dd935583fd1a"; logging-data="3281337"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX189hOmabrAmJJqIRcBY7uW0" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:mdwesB/OabstaE7OFGrSyN/nr3U= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <b939f14e2c64d1240a4a091cd4a769ae@www.novabbs.com> Bytes: 4123 Den 06.02.2025 01:25, skrev LaurenceClarkCrossen: > Source: > https://brentshadbolt.substack.com/p/the-truth-about-gps-relativity-not > > "Mar 18, 2024 > > GPS is used to pinpoint locations on the Earth’s surface and relies on > radio signals sent from satellites in space. The signals carry coded > information about the satellite’s location and the signal's time. A GPS > receiver on Earth collects this information from three or four > satellites simultaneously and calculates the distance to each satellite. > The receiver then calculates where these distances intersect to > determine its location in three-dimensional space. The coordinates of > longitude, latitude and altitude are given in reference to a > three-dimensional mathematical model of the Earth's ellipsoid shape (a > slightly squashed sphere) called the ‘Conventional Inertial Frame’ or > ‘World Geodetic System 1984’ (WGS 84)1 (figure 12). > > The positioning system's success relies on radio signals' ability to > transmit extremely precise information. To this end, GPS satellites > carry caesium atomic clocks that are correct to less than 5 parts in > 1014, or about 4 billionths of a second per day.2 As the satellites are > orbiting 20,184 km above the Earth, they are in a much weaker > gravitational field than clocks on the Earth, and general relativity > predicts that the satellite clocks will tick more quickly by 45 > microseconds per day.3 > > Since the satellite clocks are moving relative to receivers on Earth, > special relativity predicts the satellite clocks will tick more slowly > by some amount compared to ground-based clocks. Satellite orbital speeds > are cited as 3,874 m/s; thus, satellite atomic clocks are reported to > experience a time dilation of about 7 microseconds per day.3 > > When the slowing effect of special relativity on a GPS satellite clock > rate is subtracted from the speeding-up effect of general relativity, > the result is about 38 microseconds of increase per day (45-7). GPS > engineers adjust the clock rates before they are placed into orbit to > correct this time increase in satellite atomic clocks. The clocks are > given a rate offset of 4.465 parts in 1010 from their nominal frequency > of 10.23 MHz so that, on average, they appear to run at the same rate as > a clock on the ground. The actual frequency of the satellite clocks > before launch is thus 10.22999999543 MHz.3 In other words, the clocks > are pre-tuned to count a different number of caesium oscillations per > second compared to the standard on Earth so that in space, they measure > the same duration of time for one second as on Earth. So the clocks are tuned to run slow by the factor -4.4647e-10 , or -38 μs/day because that's what the General Theory of Relativity say must be done to make the GPS work. And then the GPS does work. GPS without relativity? :-D https://paulba.no/pdf/Clock_rate.pdf -- Paul https://paulba.no/