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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: To sum up Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2025 09:27:44 +1100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 20 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vo61d0$3lts8$3@dont-email.me> References: <vo1kt4$2r8m5$1@dont-email.me> <vo1n39$2rdv4$1@dont-email.me> <vo47ib$3cm8h$1@dont-email.me> <vo5ivc$3ju4a$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="65642"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:7+muygHKzm7326bm7MiZrVI1aJ0= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id ECB9F22978C; Fri, 07 Feb 2025 17:27:52 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5532229783 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Fri, 07 Feb 2025 17:27:50 -0500 (EST) id 21B251C0B73; Fri, 7 Feb 2025 22:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by newsfeed.bofh.team (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 174A21C03B2 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Fri, 7 Feb 2025 22:27:47 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E00745FD81 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Fri, 7 Feb 2025 22:27:45 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/E00745FD81; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id A0B6DDC01CA; Fri, 7 Feb 2025 23:27:45 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2025 23:27:45 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/aiOjIe66EEoeXbXMsmdtsaM1rP7258j4= In-Reply-To: <vo5ivc$3ju4a$2@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 3264 On 8/02/2025 5:21 am, JTEM wrote: > On 2/7/25 1:00 AM, MarkE wrote: > >> The more complex a minimal first life must be, the higher the >> improbability of naturalistic formation, yes? > > I don't think it's a matter of probabilities. If conditions are > right, life. If conditions are wrong, no life. > > Think of it like freezing water. If the conditions are right the > water freezes. And every time you replicate those exact > conditions the water freezes. But if you don't produce the > condition under which water freezes, it's never going to freeze. > There is no "Percentage" chance. The probability is always 1 or > zero. > I think that's "probability with hindsight". See my recent post, "Revealing thought experiment".