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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 00:04:54 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 69 Message-ID: <vo9gi6$fuct$1@dont-email.me> References: <vo6420$3mpmf$1@dont-email.me> <vo79lj$8vq$1@dont-email.me> <vo7qj9$36ra$1@dont-email.me> <vo8jhj$7fbd$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2025 07:05:09 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0d7b7e128809f1e0bad2050f21bb5c16"; logging-data="522653"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19VQcW3Qfg4jH3jEzA6fz0K" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:jN54po1TF7NwjM12yJBJUpbqMx4= In-Reply-To: <vo8jhj$7fbd$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250208-4, 2/8/2025), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Bytes: 3703 On 2/8/2025 3:49 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > Op 08.feb.2025 om 15:43 schreef olcott: >> On 2/8/2025 3:54 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>> Op 08.feb.2025 om 00:13 schreef olcott: >>>> Experts in the C programming language will know that DD >>>> correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own >>>> "if" statement. >>> >>> Yes, it demonstrates the incapability of HHH to correctly determine >>> the halting behaviour of DD >>> >>>> >>>> The finite string DD specifies non-terminating recursive >>>> simulation to simulating termination analyzer HHH. This >>>> makes HHH necessarily correct to reject its input as >>>> non-halting. >>> >>> The finite string defines one behaviour. This finite string, when >>> given to an X86 processor shows halting behaviour. This finite >>> string,when given to a world class simulator, shows halting >>> behaviour. Only HHH fails to see this proven halting behaviour. So it >>> proves the failure of HHH. >>> HHH aborts the simulation on unsound grounds one cycle before the >>> simulation would terminate normally. >>> >>>> >>>> typedef void (*ptr)(); >>>> int HHH(ptr P); >>>> >>>> int DD() >>>> { >>>> int Halt_Status = HHH(DD); >>>> if (Halt_Status) >>>> HERE: goto HERE; >>>> return Halt_Status; >>>> } >>>> >>>> int main() >>>> { >>>> HHH(DD); >>>> } >>>> >>>> https://www.researchgate.net/ >>>> publication/369971402_Simulating_Termination_Analyzer_H_is_Not_Fooled_by_Pathological_Input_D >>>> >>>> https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/Halt7.c >>>> has fully operational HHH and DD >>>> >>>> The halting problem has always been a mathematical mapping >>>> from finite strings to behaviors. >>> >>> Yes. And the behaviour of this finite string has been proven to show >>> halting behaviour. Only Olcott's HHH fails to see it. >>> His misunderstanding is that he thinks that the behaviour defined by >>> the finite string depends on the simulator. >> >> When DD calls HHH(DD) in recursive simulation it is a >> verified fact that DD cannot possibly halt. > > Which proves the failure of HHH. It does not reach the end of a halting > program. All other methods show that DD halts. > Your comment only proves that you lack sufficient understanding of the C programming language. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer