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Path: ...!news.roellig-ltd.de!open-news-network.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: To sum up Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 19:15:29 +1100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 47 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vo9o72$h13g$1@dont-email.me> References: <vo1kt4$2r8m5$1@dont-email.me> <tq29qjl9ln2s9uou8c4da1r6dpmidesnsd@4ax.com> <6qceqjhouj6a1r7cj9s1f7npgc406nbfqv@4ax.com> <vo7dmt$qvu$1@dont-email.me> <58leqjt7sftjfilii9rctp5udtul1s9qt2@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="20700"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:RYe/xls2+QHlcSWX19Gxb+rrgR0= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id A4FB822978C; Sun, 09 Feb 2025 03:15:45 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60ED1229783 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Sun, 09 Feb 2025 03:15:43 -0500 (EST) id 7EAD31C087C; Sun, 9 Feb 2025 08:15:39 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by newsfeed.bofh.team (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6BF241C06C7 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sun, 9 Feb 2025 08:15:39 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB8245FD81 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sun, 9 Feb 2025 08:15:37 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/EB8245FD81; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 4A64DDC01CA; Sun, 9 Feb 2025 09:15:31 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2025 09:15:31 +0100 (CET) Content-Language: en-US X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+/y99weRSc+2ITq/WqbaOMUlqAMPM6iyQ= In-Reply-To: <58leqjt7sftjfilii9rctp5udtul1s9qt2@4ax.com> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED, USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 4398 On 9/02/2025 12:02 am, Martin Harran wrote: > On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 22:03:57 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 8/02/2025 9:39 pm, Martin Harran wrote: >>> On Thu, 06 Feb 2025 10:17:26 +0000, Martin Harran >>> <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 17:29:54 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Has talk.origins run its course, with this incarnation (post-GG >>>>> meteorite impact) the last of the dinosaurs? >>>>> >>>>> And what of the Origins debate? My contention is that progressive >>>>> discoveries with the complexity and precision of life are making Mt >>>>> Improbable higher and higher [1]. ID has gained and sustained traction >>>>> because this trend is real. >>>> >>>> What evidence have you got that ID has gained and sustained traction? >>>> >>>> [...] >>> >>> So, nothing to offer. Appears to be just another example of you >>> thinking something *should* be true just because you would like it to >>> be true. >>> >> >> No response does not equal nothing to offer, especially in this context, >> as we both well know. > > You choosing to moan about my "cheap shot", rather than demolishing my > point by offering some evidence, speaks volumes. Okay, I'm happy to do a reset, and accept some blame here. I am interested in reviewing the state of ID. I'm somewhat ambivalent about ID myself actually, though I think it does have merit. I'll start a new post to give the invitation visibility (i.e. paint a target on myself). > > >> >> Once again, a cheap shot over substantive comment, with a disregard for >> logic. I don't believe you're engaging in good faith, Martin. >> >