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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: Mathematical incompleteness has always been a misconception --- Tarski Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 17:20:23 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 69 Message-ID: <vobd7n$s681$1@dont-email.me> References: <vnh0sq$35mcm$1@dont-email.me> <vni4ta$3ek8m$1@dont-email.me> <vnikre$3hb19$1@dont-email.me> <vnkov9$1971$1@dont-email.me> <vnl9vj$4f8i$1@dont-email.me> <vnndqs$kef3$1@dont-email.me> <vnpd96$vl84$1@dont-email.me> <vnqm3p$1apip$1@dont-email.me> <vnqsbh$1c5sq$1@dont-email.me> <vnsm90$1pr86$1@dont-email.me> <vnte6s$1tra8$1@dont-email.me> <vnv4tf$2a43e$1@dont-email.me> <vo0249$2eqdl$1@dont-email.me> <vo1qae$2s4cr$1@dont-email.me> <vo2i10$302f0$1@dont-email.me> <vo4nj4$3f6so$1@dont-email.me> <vo5btf$3ipo2$1@dont-email.me> <vo7ckh$q2p$1@dont-email.me> <vo7tdg$36ra$6@dont-email.me> <6f2dndBWC7gd4Dr6nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> <vo9krm$3octb$1@dont-email.me> <voae76$m3dj$1@dont-email.me> <3f1ed83042ed4a260d1a63ef7c61528ea9858947@i2pn2.org> <vobaaa$rhmq$1@dont-email.me> <8fd6dea147c3f4bf5558d7745b93a25a5e69539f@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2025 00:20:24 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c492ea1606c78cee9e5da7f1d71e9cb2"; logging-data="923905"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+Bu5ISb2HwuWHdjCGTeAX4" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:q6bpQt+ksgjrxfqRnvRtTD6mTX8= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250209-4, 2/9/2025), Outbound message In-Reply-To: <8fd6dea147c3f4bf5558d7745b93a25a5e69539f@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Bytes: 4857 On 2/9/2025 5:05 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 2/9/25 5:30 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 2/9/2025 11:04 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 2/9/25 9:31 AM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 2/9/2025 1:18 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote: >>>>> On 08/02/2025 16:51, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>>> On 02/08/2025 07:32 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> (2) Semantics is fully integrated into every expression of >>>>>>> language with each unique natural language sense meaning >>>>>>> of a word having its own GUID. >>>>> >>>>> Illusion and the tyranny of delusion, ad nauseam. >>>>> >>>>>>> And I am finishing the job. I may have only one month left. >>>>>>> The cancer treatment that I will have next month has a 5% chance >>>>>>> of killing me and a 1% chance of ruining my brain. It also has >>>>>>> about a 70% chance of giving me at least two more years of life. >>>>> >>>>> Food be your medicine, medicine be your food. Conversely, >>>>> good luck with any of that. >>>>> >>>>>> Instead of just usual model theory and axiomatics >>>>>> and "what's true in the logical theory", "what's >>>>>> not falsified in the scientific theory", you can >>>>>> have a theory where the quantity is truth, and >>>>>> then there's a Comenius language of it that only >>>>>> truisms are well-formed formulas, then the Liar >>>>>> "paradox" is only a prototype of a fallacy, >>>>> >>>>> Rather, then there is no such thing as a "fallacy", only >>>>> flat positivism and Newspeak. Indeed, Popper already is >>>>> yet another bad joke at best, but WTF would you know... >>>>> >>>> >>>> In other words you did not understand what he said thus >>>> replied to his words with nonsense gibberish pure rhetoric >>>> with no actual basis in reasoning. >>>> >>>> >> there's a Comenius language of it that only >>>> >> truisms are well-formed formulas >>>> >>>> True(L,x) <is> a mathematical mapping from finite string >>>> expressions of language through a truthmaker to finite >>>> strings expressions providing formalized semantic meanings >>>> making the expression true. >>>> >>>> The prototype of a fallacy that he referred to is the >>>> recursive structure of pathological self-reference that >>>> never resolves to a truth value. >>> >>> And, such a mapping can't exist if the language allows references like: >>> >>> x is defined to be !True(L, x) >>> >> >> When we frame it the succinct way that Ross framed it >> >> there's a Comenius language of it that only >> >> truisms are well-formed formulas > > And if True(L, x) isn't "well formed" then True fails to meet the > requirements of a predicate, Not at all. True(L,x) is no longer baffled by semantically incorrect expressions and rejects them as IFF ill-formed-formula. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer