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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: The Problems With Immortality Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 03:17:50 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 39 Message-ID: <voefgu$1g32b$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=fixed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 04:17:51 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="6bd88717b829abfd264ffb287a962fa9"; logging-data="1576011"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19aoeOUmoZqfcS/6sMnxLwk" User-Agent: Usenapp/0.92.2/l for MacOS Cancel-Lock: sha1:RwZho2rIRgrJvnminP7U7TIhqJc= Bytes: 2990 Hypothetically, how long do you suppose would someone who is immortal be able to live a normal life before being found out in modern society? (As to what defines immortal, I'm assuming that telomere wear and disease would be covered, but it is up to our hypothetical immortal to remember to eat, breathe, and avoid fatal bus encounters. So if you are the seventh son of a seventh son, try to avoid making contact between a broadsword and your neck.) A hundred or so years ago it would be very easy for an immortal person to walk into a village, claim to be 20 years old, stay for a few decades, then move to another town and do it all over again. In the U.S. you could simply move to a neighboring state and you were basically anonymous since state databases rarely communicated with one another. Even as recent as 50 years ago, there were many gaps in government systems that were especially susceptible to human error. Spy novels liked to suggest finding an infant's grave, obtaining the child's birth certificate and using it to apply for other ID like a driver licence, because it was unlikely that a death certificate for a child that young would have been filed. But those loopholes have been closed off over the years. Now, however, any arrest will enshrine your fingerprints and DNA in a national database forever. If you're arrested again 90 years later, questions will arise. As for employment, there's a gray market for jobs but I doubt you'd want to spend eternity mowing lawns or squirting the guac bottle at Taco Bell. The super rich can circumvent a lot of the bureaucracy and someone who has lived for centuries may well indeed be super rich. Bribes to doctors and other officials to generate documentation could go a long way, but great wealth brings notoriety and that's the last thing an immortal would want. Of course one could just not try and hide it and take your chances, since it's not illegal to live forever, and hope that you can defend yourself against the government goons who will inevitably show up to take you in for "further study".