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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: The set of necessary FISONs Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 11:16:31 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 37 Message-ID: <vof820$1nmvg$1@dont-email.me> References: <vmo1bs$1rnl$1@dont-email.me> <vo0di8$2fh7t$2@dont-email.me> <aaeb6a0f-0a2c-41ee-aecd-24d1532da5eb@att.net> <vo1tbc$2sgko$1@dont-email.me> <11e634bd-c1d3-4d72-9e18-be6ca22b4742@att.net> <vo2pit$31hlr$1@dont-email.me> <aa038824-04c7-4fde-87f4-b9c3316d30a1@att.net> <vo32p6$3393i$1@dont-email.me> <999fb07e-7bef-4423-afeb-a08922613c65@att.net> <vo5cvb$3hukd$1@dont-email.me> <3e8f89376a9f8ec40a4caeb436e0018baf788953@i2pn2.org> <vo7bj6$7ne$2@dont-email.me> <682cef42d0c436caf3ce100d52add73943c62f9b@i2pn2.org> <vo8c7d$6be6$1@dont-email.me> <0019d81d4f7c2818294aa3cff41a86060c71313a@i2pn2.org> <voa120$ib74$2@dont-email.me> <1a7cae4301dc6f0a3c1ab7da4b43fc182ab0144d@i2pn2.org> <voafbm$md5b$2@dont-email.me> <fdee1d056cf5ce2bdf50e5d0709c033fa67ff075@i2pn2.org> <vochvs$15a3l$1@dont-email.me> <be4eb3b0b2c528f6a59b4259fa50d1095aad8229@i2pn2.org> <vod4dv$17utg$3@dont-email.me> <964f077f7e3c35ec8154676e0b0ed6ccf9afc48c@i2pn2.org> <14d5f717-688c-4404-9de0-49492803ed83@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 11:16:32 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="231dfbc87cac045f80d548100eb5e339"; logging-data="1825776"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX191QyGnXwyqjFSSNVRlePyNQE+xv+5oQrk=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:NpXM6XjiErSlm2fuhX2BCc2bhQo= In-Reply-To: <14d5f717-688c-4404-9de0-49492803ed83@att.net> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3019 On 11.02.2025 01:48, Jim Burns wrote: > On 2/10/2025 7:05 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 2/10/25 10:02 AM, WM wrote: >>> On 10.02.2025 13:37, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> On 2/10/25 4:47 AM, WM wrote: > >>>>> "Theorem B: >>>>> Every embodiment of different numbers of >>>>> the first and the second number class has >>>>> a smallest number, a minimum." >>> >>>> So, your "Set of Required FISONs" isn't >>>> a set of the first or second class, >>>> it is an empty set. >>> >>> So it is. > >> Which just shows that >> no particular FISON is needed. >> >> Doesn't mean that you can't use >> a set of FISONs to make >> the set of Natural Numbers. > > Yes. Then name the first FISON that must exist according to Cantor's theorem, see above. > ⎛ If no FISON is required > ⎜ then no FISON is possible. That is not necessarily so. But if a FISON or set of FISONs is possible and not empty, then it has a first element. Find it. Overcome the result of induction, i.e., infinity. Regards, WM