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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: The set of necessary FISONs Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 11:19:55 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 38 Message-ID: <vohskb$28sjf$3@dont-email.me> References: <vmo1bs$1rnl$1@dont-email.me> <451804be-c49f-43ab-bca9-8a4af406d945@att.net> <vo0di8$2fh7t$2@dont-email.me> <aaeb6a0f-0a2c-41ee-aecd-24d1532da5eb@att.net> <vo1tbc$2sgko$1@dont-email.me> <11e634bd-c1d3-4d72-9e18-be6ca22b4742@att.net> <vo2pit$31hlr$1@dont-email.me> <aa038824-04c7-4fde-87f4-b9c3316d30a1@att.net> <vo32p6$3393i$1@dont-email.me> <999fb07e-7bef-4423-afeb-a08922613c65@att.net> <vo5cvb$3hukd$1@dont-email.me> <be2d9f3e-be38-451a-8598-de19a949cf1e@att.net> <vo7c1q$7ne$3@dont-email.me> <0d24c3fd-cd63-4e21-9dd4-ab1360560b09@att.net> <cc879e12-d325-48b6-be78-87b8b36cb50d@att.net> <vo8jr7$7mh2$2@dont-email.me> <79920977-902d-4f59-a11c-497383221c82@att.net> <voa1r5$ib75$1@dont-email.me> <468b9c37-ba93-485c-8685-4b320e168251@att.net> <vocig1$15cth$1@dont-email.me> <68bab5c2-50d3-43fc-be0d-51e01c5952bb@att.net> <vof5e4$1n7gr$1@dont-email.me> <a52c053a-8537-4f77-849d-aba3cf51283f@att.net> <vog83h$1rvmp$4@dont-email.me> <aa0dc4b50695d3571aae1a3309c5c87736f82a48@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 11:19:56 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="3681247152612400ac8d0d969a3a3476"; logging-data="2388591"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19YC662uv+d24uz7vp1uBzPNDk/NABsCFg=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:pkFsW3Rx2CXSpSecmDjIHOMpSlE= In-Reply-To: <aa0dc4b50695d3571aae1a3309c5c87736f82a48@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3301 On 12.02.2025 10:46, joes wrote: > Am Tue, 11 Feb 2025 20:23:28 +0100 schrieb WM: >> On 11.02.2025 18:42, Jim Burns wrote: >>> On 2/11/2025 4:31 AM, WM wrote: >>>> On 10.02.2025 16:16, Jim Burns wrote: >> >>>> The set F of FISONs which can be removed without changing the assumed >>>> result UF = ℕ is the infinite set F of all FISONs. >>> Yes. >> Fine. > Actually, no: you can not remove the whole set, only single elements. Induction proves all elements and even the set (Zermelo, Z). > The erroneous step is from „every finite number” to „an infinite number”. Induction proves an infinite number. >> Induction covers the whole infinite >> set. > No, it only covers the elements. All elements. None remains. Mithilfe der Definition über induktive Mengen lässt sich die Beweismethode der vollständigen Induktion rechtfertigen (daher auch der Name induktiv): Soll gezeigt werden, dass alle natürlichen Zahlen eine bestimmte Eigenschaft haben, so betrachte die Menge E ... [Wikipedia] > >>> How induction works is not well known to you (WM). >> What is wrong in my application in your opinion? > You incorrectly include infinity. No, there is no infinite FISON. All are finite. All can be omitted without changing the result. Regards, WM