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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Sufficient knowledge of C proves that DD specifies
 non-terminating behavior to HHH
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 22:20:32 -0600
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On 2/13/2025 9:15 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 2/13/25 7:09 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 2/13/2025 4:53 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>> Op 13.feb.2025 om 05:12 schreef olcott:
>>>> On 2/11/2025 10:44 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>> Op 11.feb.2025 om 17:22 schreef olcott:
>>>>>> On 2/11/2025 10:10 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>> Op 11.feb.2025 om 15:38 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>> On 2/11/2025 1:28 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Am Mon, 10 Feb 2025 14:36:51 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2025 12:41 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Op 10.feb.2025 om 13:27 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2025 6:14 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 10.feb.2025 om 12:51 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2025 2:22 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 20:54 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2025 1:33 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 20:04 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2025 12:54 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 18:00 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2025 10:50 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 16:18 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2025 2:13 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 07:10 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2025 3:54 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 08.feb.2025 om 15:47 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2025 3:57 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 08.feb.2025 om 06:53 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2025 7:27 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/25 8:12 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2025 5:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/25 11:26 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2025 6:20 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/25 10:02 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2025 8:21 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/25 5:18 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2025 1:51 PM, Richard Damon 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/25 1:26 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2025 10:52 AM, Bonita 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Montero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 05.02.2025 um 16:11 schrieb 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/5/2025 1:44 AM, Bonita 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Montero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 05.02.2025 um 04:38 schrieb 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> olcott:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, in other words, Olcott denies verified facts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HHH generates false negatives, as is verified in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          int main() {           return HHH(main);
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but he denies it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He lacks the ability to accept simple verified facts, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tries to hide with a lot of irrelevant words.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a verified fact that main cannot possibly be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simulated by HHH until its normal termination.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed, which proves that HHH is unable to simulate itself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If this was true then you could point out exactly where 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HHH is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incorrect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is true as a verified fact and has been pointed out to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Olcott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many times, but he refuses to learn. So, again:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a verified fact that main halts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a verified fact that the input to HHH(main) cannot 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possibly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terminate normally.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, the verified fact is that the input can terminatie 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> normally
>>>>>>>>>>>> The directly executed main IS NOT THE INPUT TO HHH.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This main is a program that includes all functions called 
>>>>>>>>>>> directly and
>>>>>>>>>>> indirectly, including HHH.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The input to HHH(main) when correctly simulated by HHH cannot 
>>>>>>>>>> possibly
>>>>>>>>>> terminate normally.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The input to HHH, which is main(), terminates. HHH does not 
>>>>>>>>> simulate that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The directly executed main() is not the same instance of
>>>>>>>> main() that is input to HHH and simulated by HHH.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The directly executed main() relies on HHH aborting
>>>>>>>> the simulation of its input. HHH cannot rely on anything
>>>>>>>> else aborting the simulation of its input.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The simulating HHH should rely on the simulated HHH to abort.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That cannot possibly work. The executed HHH always sees at least one
>>>>>> more full execution trace than any inner HHH ever sees.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed, that is what I said, but Olcott deleted it in the citation.
>>>>> HHH cannot do what it should do. So, he proves the halting theorem.
>>>>
>>>> If the sentence it false it does not become true in some greater
>>>> context.
>>>
>>> Indeed and since it is false that the simulated HHH would not abort, 
>>
>> This is simply beyond your skill level.
>> Since each HHH is exactly the same unless the first
>> one aborts none of them do.
>>
>>
> 
> But the first one DOES abort, as that is how it was defined to be.
> 
> And thus, the one that DD calls aborts.
> 

A program that is no longer being simulated DOES NOTHING

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