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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: The set of necessary FISONs Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 13:52:27 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 35 Message-ID: <voneac$3eut3$1@dont-email.me> References: <vmo1bs$1rnl$1@dont-email.me> <aaeb6a0f-0a2c-41ee-aecd-24d1532da5eb@att.net> <vo1tbc$2sgko$1@dont-email.me> <11e634bd-c1d3-4d72-9e18-be6ca22b4742@att.net> <vo2pit$31hlr$1@dont-email.me> <aa038824-04c7-4fde-87f4-b9c3316d30a1@att.net> <vo32p6$3393i$1@dont-email.me> <999fb07e-7bef-4423-afeb-a08922613c65@att.net> <vo5cvb$3hukd$1@dont-email.me> <be2d9f3e-be38-451a-8598-de19a949cf1e@att.net> <vo7c1q$7ne$3@dont-email.me> <0d24c3fd-cd63-4e21-9dd4-ab1360560b09@att.net> <cc879e12-d325-48b6-be78-87b8b36cb50d@att.net> <vo8jr7$7mh2$2@dont-email.me> <79920977-902d-4f59-a11c-497383221c82@att.net> <voa1r5$ib75$1@dont-email.me> <468b9c37-ba93-485c-8685-4b320e168251@att.net> <vocig1$15cth$1@dont-email.me> <68bab5c2-50d3-43fc-be0d-51e01c5952bb@att.net> <vof5e4$1n7gr$1@dont-email.me> <a52c053a-8537-4f77-849d-aba3cf51283f@att.net> <vog83h$1rvmp$4@dont-email.me> <aa0dc4b50695d3571aae1a3309c5c87736f82a48@i2pn2.org> <vohskb$28sjf$3@dont-email.me> <862117d5-9944-4eaa-9bbf-040e376c27e1@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 13:52:28 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="6fd7629c5bdfff525bef709c5ac04246"; logging-data="3636131"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1844ptyNxM3EimBilMCBK2YvJFUlOw/2q0=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:dqVpKRt+dYAeQJcbO7gqYZS8FFs= In-Reply-To: <862117d5-9944-4eaa-9bbf-040e376c27e1@att.net> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2869 On 13.02.2025 17:38, Jim Burns wrote: > On 2/12/2025 5:19 AM, WM wrote: >> Induction proves all elements and >> even the set (Zermelo, Z). > > No. > Not the set. > Each member of the set. All members of the set. > > Set intensionality means > same.membered sets are one set. > It does not mean sets are self.members. All members are proved. This means none remains. Zermelo obtains from that the existence of the infinite set Z. > >>> The erroneous step is from „every finite number” >>> to „an infinite number”. >> >> Induction proves an infinite number. > > Induction is valid without any infinite sets. Induction creates infinite sets. If i contruct x(1) and from x(n) follows x(n+1) then the set of all x(n) is infinite. > In ST+F, there are no infinite sets, > but there is induction. I apply mathematics. Regards, WM