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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: The US Postal Service Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 08:52:37 -0600 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 135 Message-ID: <vonlbk$3fvkc$8@dont-email.me> References: <volmrv$32o3b$1@dont-email.me> <m177crFtl84U1@mid.individual.net> <volseo$33maa$3@dont-email.me> <m17l1rF18okU1@mid.individual.net> <q9etqjtqkl1qj1opak0acgsrpb0o8bst6n@4ax.com> <n56uqjhsid0h3e0j2fj29m8rth9mh638vh@4ax.com> <m18mb0F6acqU1@mid.individual.net> <e99uqjlht1o497bqn78jff3ip8l42apquc@4ax.com> <vonj2l$3fvkc$6@dont-email.me> <tcluqjp66i9848pk0lvftkfh893eb99v1l@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 15:52:37 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ee8180adef4a465d4623b4c7d7a24a39"; logging-data="3669644"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19/+ycv4RrGYbROmGOGkCNZ" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:ml/OASgl0z7i3y/AsMghytiyevQ= In-Reply-To: <tcluqjp66i9848pk0lvftkfh893eb99v1l@4ax.com> Content-Language: en-US On 2/14/2025 8:44 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >> reckless On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 08:13:41 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: > >> On 2/14/2025 5:19 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >>> On 14 Feb 2025 11:05:04 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 10:41:22 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 14 Feb 2025 01:36:59 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2/13/2025 3:43 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>>>>>> Mark J cleary <mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I believe at one time the US Postal Service sponsored cycling. Well they >>>>>>>>>> sure have been on my bad list as of late. Seems things are much slower >>>>>>>>>> than they ever were and shoddy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I order a set of different guitar strings from a place in Traverse City >>>>>>>>>> Michigan. That is about 8 hour drive from here. Priority mailed out >>>>>>>>>> 02/05/25. I got the package today and yes the weather was bad they said >>>>>>>>>> it would be delay. It sat in at the post office in my town for 5 days. >>>>>>>>>> It showed up with a plastic bag around the mailing envelop and note of >>>>>>>>>> package damage. There was nothing in the package and only one set of the >>>>>>>>>> 4 string sets I ordered in the plastic bag sealing it all with apology. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The place is going to send out the remaining strings but I wonder if >>>>>>>>>> they file a claim with the post office. Frankly probably not worth the >>>>>>>>>> effort. To top that off it took 21 days in December for a letter of mine >>>>>>>>>> to get to Philadelphia Pennsylvania. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Maybe Trump will look into that too they need something done. Frankly >>>>>>>>>> quite allowing junk mail and get the act together. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If it?s not funded by government ie has to fund its self, then services >>>>>>>>> will always come 2nd to profitability, ie if one wants no or low junk mail, >>>>>>>>> and for it to be run as service then will need some government funding. EX >>>>>>>>> postie in UK which has been privatised and now a commercial company with >>>>>>>>> totally expected results ie worsening service. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can?t see Trump wanting to fund it somehow! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There's devil in the details. Each government in turn made >>>>>>>> different decisions on structure with widely variable >>>>>>>> performance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Japan's Post is exemplary, Deutsche Post has had a series of >>>>>>>> troubles not at all ending. USPS was excellent, really, >>>>>>>> until around 2013~14 or so. (I'm less familiar with UK Royal >>>>>>>> Mail so no comment) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A quick search suggests that Japans post is still controlled by its >>>>>>> Government at least for the time being with the majority of the shares, and >>>>>>> indeed looks like a short term gain rather long term as ever the postal >>>>>>> service doesn?t make money like number of things it?s service and within >>>>>>> reason should be treated as such. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ie watch this space! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Roger Merriman >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The "The Postal Reorganization Act of 1970" states that: >>>>>> >>>>>> The United States Postal Service shall be operated as a basic and >>>>>> fundamental service provided to the people by the Government of the >>>>>> United States, authorized by the Constitution, created by Act of >>>>>> Congress, and supported by the people." >>>>>> >>>>>> It is likely that at least some of the lousy service is due to the Act >>>>>> allowing "the four major postal unions (National Association of Letter >>>>>> Carriers, American Postal Workers Union, National Postal Mail Handlers >>>>>> Union, and the National Rural Letter Carriers' Association) won full >>>>>> collective bargaining rights: the right to negotiate on wages, >>>>>> benefits and working conditions" >>>>> >>>>> 90+% of the USPS mail deliveries I get go straight into the trash >>>>> before it gets opened or into the house. Why are taxpayers funding the >>>>> delivery of trash? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> C'est bon >>>>> Soloman >>>>> >>>> >>>> You’re not it’s self funded hence the junk mail, as they need the revenue >>> >from it as they don’t get federal taxes. >>>> >>>> <https://facts.usps.com/top-facts/> >>>> >>>> As with John and others if you want junk mail free post you need to pay up, >>>> ie it would need to be government funded as universal deliveries of mail >>>> since Email and so on has just crashed and is no market in that, the money >>>> is in parcels. >>>> >>>> Roger Merriman >>> >>> The USPS only "needs" the revenue frrom the junk mail because the >>> processing and delivery of it has costs. >>> >>> -- >>> C'est bon >>> Soloman >> >> Well, yes. >> But in any system the machinery staffing vehicles buildings >> etc are designed around some level of volume so large policy >> changes have multiple facets and after effects. >> >> Imagine if you will a modern beer can filling/packaging >> plant running at 3~4 units per second. Now do a cost >> analysis of producing thousands of custom label runs of 24 >> cans each. > > We haven't mailed anything for years. If the few people who mail us > important stuff would just go digital, we could forget about checking > the mailbox. As it is, I only go out to empty it about twice a week. > > -- > C'est bon > Soloman Yes, and if more people had PO boxes rather than letter carrier service the system would be more efficient to a huge degree. And there are a thousand other similar policy points, each contested, with sometimes unclear effect. -- Andrew Muzi am@yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971