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Path: ...!news.roellig-ltd.de!open-news-network.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Baminornis zhenghensis Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 15:40:29 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 26 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vood8d$3l8mj$1@dont-email.me> References: <vonm3l$3h215$1@dont-email.me> <vonsml$3i7n1$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="26970"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:cpLOj2azNTOY8tZsootC4LvnDz0= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 363A422978C; Fri, 14 Feb 2025 16:40:39 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F01C7229783 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Fri, 14 Feb 2025 16:40:36 -0500 (EST) id AF2AD1C2885; Fri, 14 Feb 2025 21:40:32 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by newsfeed.bofh.team (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A58491C080D for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Fri, 14 Feb 2025 21:40:32 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B08646061B for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Fri, 14 Feb 2025 21:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/B08646061B; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 7938FDC01CA; Fri, 14 Feb 2025 22:40:30 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 22:40:30 +0100 (CET) Content-Language: en-US X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/Q+MImAeZVozWvkpH60AQvUTIEldiD90g= In-Reply-To: <vonsml$3i7n1$1@dont-email.me> FREEMAIL_FORGED_REPLYTO,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED, USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 4023 On 2/14/2025 10:57 AM, Kestrel Clayton wrote: > On 14-Feb-25 10:05, RonO wrote: >> https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scientists-discover- >> groundbreaking-jurassic-fossil-that-could-overhaul-the-evolutionary- >> history-of-birds-180986063/ >> >> This fossil was discovered in 2023, and seems to have some features >> that make it more like modern birds than Archaeopteryx. It is >> supposed to have lived around the same time as Archaeopteryx. It >> looks like the bones that they have would make a shorter tail, but do >> they have all the tail bones. It is difficult to tell from the >> pictures of the bones, but the bones that they do show do not have the >> fragmentary squashed fused tail like structure of modern birds. > > That's very interesting. Am I wrong for thinking this may imply the > ancestry of early birds, much like early Homo, is a lot "bushier" than > previously believed? > https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/chinese-fossil-jurassic-bird-rewrites-history-avian-evolution-rcna191980 This news article notes that it has been an issue for quite some time that no other bird like fossils have been identified that existed with early Archaeopteryx. It sounds like everyone expected to find more species, but they just never have. Ron Okimoto