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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: comp.theory
Subject: Re: Sufficient knowledge of C proves that DD specifies
 non-terminating behavior to HHH
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 17:30:26 -0600
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On 2/14/2025 6:58 AM, joes wrote:
> Am Fri, 14 Feb 2025 06:42:29 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>> On 2/14/2025 3:36 AM, joes wrote:
>>> Am Thu, 13 Feb 2025 18:12:52 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>> On 2/13/2025 8:47 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>> Op 13.feb.2025 om 13:31 schreef olcott:
>>>>>> On 2/13/2025 3:16 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>> Am Wed, 12 Feb 2025 22:18:32 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>> On 2/11/2025 2:05 PM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Am Tue, 11 Feb 2025 10:19:11 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/11/2025 9:23 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mon, 10 Feb 2025 15:38:37 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2025 2:48 PM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mon, 10 Feb 2025 08:46:21 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2025 6:52 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mon, 10 Feb 2025 06:02:48 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2025 5:16 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Sun, 09 Feb 2025 13:54:39 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2025 1:33 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 20:04 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2025 12:54 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 18:00 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2025 10:50 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 16:18 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2025 2:13 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 07:10 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2025 3:54 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 08.feb.2025 om 15:47 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2025 3:57 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 08.feb.2025 om 06:53 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2025 7:27 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/25 8:12 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2025 5:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/25 11:26 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2025 6:20 AM, Richard Damon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/25 10:02 PM, olcott wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>> Since there is a 5% chance that the treatment I will have next
>>>>>>>> month will kill me and this treatment is my only good chance I
>>>>>>>> will totally ignore anything that diverges from the point.
>>>>>>> Ok, I will wait a month then.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone that knows the C language sufficiently well knows that DD
>>>>>> correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally.
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed, which shows the limitation of HHH which makes that it cannot
>>>>> properly decide about its input, because  it must abort the correct
>>>>> simulation before it sees that the correct simulation terminates
>>>>> normally.
>>>>>
>>>> The correct simulation is only the one that it sees by definition. it
>>>> maps ITS INPUT TO THE BEHAVIOR OF THIS INPUT.
>>>> All of the people that think it should map the behavior of a non-input
>>>> have always been wrong.
>>> What is the non-input?
>>
>> int main()
>> {
>>     DD();    // Is not an input to HHH
>>     HHH(DD)  // Is an input to HHH
>> {
> Oh, but we’re not interested in the behaviour of HHH(HHH(DD)).
> 
>>> The input is DD, and its behaviour is that it halts.
>>> HHH’s simulation is not correct by definition.

DD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally.


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