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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: Bicycle race training technique
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 17:53:24 -0600
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On 2/14/2025 5:01 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
> On 2/14/2025 5:20 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:23:59 -0600, AMuzi 
>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/14/2025 11:20 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 10:30:37 -0600, AMuzi 
>>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/14/2025 10:15 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/13/2025 7:00 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time Trials no the road isn’t closed they have code 
>>>>>>> names
>>>>>>> harking back to
>>>>>>> it being illegal, and be large dual carriageways,
>>>>>>> depending on the location
>>>>>>> might be held earlier in the day, though not always.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some here might not know about the days when time 
>>>>>> trialing
>>>>>> was illegal in the UK. Roger might want to give a quick
>>>>>> summary of the situation and the work-arounds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today in the U.S. some advocates have pointed out a
>>>>>> potential disadvantage of having a bicycle legally 
>>>>>> defined
>>>>>> as a vehicle: It may make bicyclists in technical 
>>>>>> violation
>>>>>> of certain anti-racing laws - for example, when a cyclist
>>>>>> and a buddy sprint for the next telephone pole. In at 
>>>>>> least
>>>>>> some states, advocacy organizations closely monitor 
>>>>>> proposed
>>>>>> traffic laws to ensure that certain ones apply only to
>>>>>> _motor_ vehicles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Illegal?  In my youth, TT was widely popular in England 
>>>>> and
>>>>> moreso there than anywhere else!
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.welovecycling.com/wide/2018/09/10/the- 
>>>>> surprising-origins-of-time-trials/
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/cms/ctt/history
>>>>>
>>>>> And back to the earlier point, TT in traffic can result in
>>>>> some startling times even though riders are sort of honor
>>>>> (honour) bound not to draft.  Which is why English TT 
>>>>> times
>>>>> regularly beat world and Olympic records in those days.
>>>>
>>>> Are time trial racers also honor bound not to use 
>>>> performance
>>>> enhancing drugs and gasses?  The discussion is about 
>>>> using carbon
>>>> monoxide to temporarily increase the oxygen carrying 
>>>> capacity of the
>>>> racers blood.  I would guess(tm) that such things are 
>>>> not worth the
>>>> risk.
>>>
>>> To you.
>>
>> That's true.  I wouldn't consider taking potentially 
>> dangerous drugs
>> and gasses simply to improve my score.  However, you're 
>> suggesting
>> that there are racers who do consider it worthwhile.  As 
>> it should be
>> obvious by now, I know very little about time trial racing 
>> and racers.
>> I can only say that I'm amazed at what racers will do to 
>> win.  Thanks
>> for the info and insights.
> 
> REad up on what the Armstrong USPS/Motorola team was doing 
> in the 90's/00's. It wasn't just them. During the Armstrong 
> era doping was so endemic that every other rider on the 
> podium during Armstrongs win streak had been suspended or 
> under investigation for doping at one time or another except 
> for one rider - Fernando Escartín
> 
> 

+1

The popular press treated every failed dope test as an 
unconscionable outrage while among the riders it was 'just 
another Sunday'.

-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971