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From: "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl>
Newsgroups: comp.theory
Subject: Re: Sufficient knowledge of C proves that DD specifies
 non-terminating behavior to HHH
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 09:11:03 +0100
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Op 15.feb.2025 om 00:30 schreef olcott:
> On 2/14/2025 6:58 AM, joes wrote:
>> Am Fri, 14 Feb 2025 06:42:29 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>> On 2/14/2025 3:36 AM, joes wrote:
>>>> Am Thu, 13 Feb 2025 18:12:52 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>> On 2/13/2025 8:47 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>> Op 13.feb.2025 om 13:31 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>> On 2/13/2025 3:16 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>> Am Wed, 12 Feb 2025 22:18:32 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/11/2025 2:05 PM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Am Tue, 11 Feb 2025 10:19:11 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/11/2025 9:23 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mon, 10 Feb 2025 15:38:37 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2025 2:48 PM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mon, 10 Feb 2025 08:46:21 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2025 6:52 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mon, 10 Feb 2025 06:02:48 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2025 5:16 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Sun, 09 Feb 2025 13:54:39 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2025 1:33 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 20:04 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2025 12:54 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 18:00 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2025 10:50 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 16:18 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2025 2:13 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 07:10 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2025 3:54 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 08.feb.2025 om 15:47 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2025 3:57 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 08.feb.2025 om 06:53 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2025 7:27 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/25 8:12 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2025 5:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/25 11:26 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2025 6:20 AM, Richard Damon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/25 10:02 PM, olcott wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> Since there is a 5% chance that the treatment I will have next
>>>>>>>>> month will kill me and this treatment is my only good chance I
>>>>>>>>> will totally ignore anything that diverges from the point.
>>>>>>>> Ok, I will wait a month then.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone that knows the C language sufficiently well knows that DD
>>>>>>> correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed, which shows the limitation of HHH which makes that it cannot
>>>>>> properly decide about its input, because  it must abort the correct
>>>>>> simulation before it sees that the correct simulation terminates
>>>>>> normally.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The correct simulation is only the one that it sees by definition. it
>>>>> maps ITS INPUT TO THE BEHAVIOR OF THIS INPUT.
>>>>> All of the people that think it should map the behavior of a non-input
>>>>> have always been wrong.
>>>> What is the non-input?
>>>
>>> int main()
>>> {
>>>     DD();    // Is not an input to HHH
>>>     HHH(DD)  // Is an input to HHH
>>> {
>> Oh, but we’re not interested in the behaviour of HHH(HHH(DD)).
>>
>>>> The input is DD, and its behaviour is that it halts.
>>>> HHH’s simulation is not correct by definition.
> 
> DD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally.
> 

Proving the failure to decide by simulation.


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