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From: Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
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Subject: Re: gulf of america
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 16:53:21 -0800
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On 2025-02-15 16:46, sticks wrote:
> On 2/15/2025 5:53 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2025-02-15 14:36, sticks wrote:
>>> On 2/15/2025 4:07 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> On 15.02.25 22:03, Your Name wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-02-15 18:40:10 +0000, sticks said:
>>>>>> On 2/15/2025 12:27 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At least we know now what we have to do. The Americans are the most
>>>>>>> unreliable idiots. Thank god we do not owe them anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cool, we'll keep our money at home then.  Fight your own wars in the
>>>>>> future too.
>>>>>
>>>>> America sticking their noses into other countries' business *causes*
>>>>> half the wars or makes them much worse ... Vietnam, Korea, Afganistan,
>>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Americans love to make war. 
>>>
>>> Not Americans, some of the American politicians.  Just like plenty of 
>>> them overseas.
>>>
>>>> When they recognise they will lose they
>>>> disappear leaving a mess behind.
>>>
>>> We now won't fight any wars unless we are allowed to win.  Until the 
>>> libs get back in power at least.
>>>
>>>> Lately Iraq and Afghanistan. But it all
>>>> started in Vietnam. They never won a war and rebuilt a country anymore
>>>> in the last 70 years. Quite destructive.
>>>
>>> OK fine.  Get all your EU pals to fund NATO at least 2% and you take 
>>> care of it from here.  From now on, if we get attacked in any way, I 
>>> think you can expect to see total destruction of that enemy.  And we 
>>> ain't rebuilding shit.
>> Idiot.
>>
>> NATO isn't "funded" in the sense you think you understand.
>>
>> The 2% you're referring to is a commitment for each member to spend 2% 
>> of their GDP on defence.
> 
> You're the fucking idiot.  The point is the European countries have had 
> to be pushed to up their defence budgets.  Time has come for you all in 
> Europe to quit hating each other and take care of yourselves.
Do you know what the actual figures are?

Do you know if they're actually important?

<https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/2024/04/09/there-is-more-to-nato-burden-sharing-than-the-2-spending-dogma/>