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From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi>
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Subject: Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- COMPLETE PROOF
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 11:35:04 +0200
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On 2025-02-16 01:13:56 +0000, olcott said:

> On 2/15/2025 2:49 AM, Mikko wrote:
>> On 2025-02-14 12:40:04 +0000, olcott said:
>> 
>>> On 2/14/2025 2:58 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>> On 2025-02-14 00:07:23 +0000, olcott said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2/13/2025 3:20 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-02-13 04:21:34 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2/12/2025 4:04 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-02-11 14:41:38 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Of course not. However, the fact that no reference to that article
>>>>>>>>>> before or when HHH
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> That paper and its code are the only thing that I have been talking 
>>>>>>>>> about in this forum for several years.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Doesn't matter when you don't say that you are talking about that paper.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Anyway, that is irrelevant to the fact that the subject line contains
>>>>>>>> a false claim.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It is a truism and not one person on the face of the
>>>>>>> Earth can possibly show otherwise.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The fact that the claim on subject line is false is not a truism.
>>>>>> In order to determine the claim is false one needs some knowledge
>>>>>> that is not obvious.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When you try to show the steps attempting to show that
>>>>> it is false I will point out the error.
>>>> 
>>>> Step 1: Find people who know C.
>>>> Step 2: Show them DD of OP and ask.
>>>> 
>>>>> This is the only topic that I will discuss and any
>>> 
>>> typedef void (*ptr)();
>>> int HHH(ptr P);
>>> 
>>> int DD()
>>> {
>>>    int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
>>>    if (Halt_Status)
>>>      HERE: goto HERE;
>>>    return Halt_Status;
>>> }
>>> 
>>> int main()
>>> {
>>>    HHH(DD);
>>> }
>>> 
>>> DD  correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally.
>> 
>> That claim has already shown to be false. Nothing above shows that
>> HHH does not return 0. If it does DD also returns 0.
> 
> *You (and everyone else) is proven wrong by the following*

Wrong, as shown below.

> 918-1156  // All of the lines of termination analyzer HHH

Not mentioned above.
Not specified by DD as shown above.

> 1355-1370 // DD() through main()

Not mentioned above. In this discussion DD and main are as shown above.

> https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/Halt7.c

Not mentioned above and not specified by DD.

> The assembly language source code of every function in Halt7.c
> https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/Halt7out.txt

Irrelevant as not specified by DD.

> This shows the complete execution trace of
> (a) main
> (b) DD

Main calls HHH, not DD. The execution trace of DD is not shown.

> It does not show the 171 pages of execution trace of HHH.
> This can be much more easily verified by the provided
> 239 lines of source code: 918-1156
> 
> Although the code for HHH is very difficult to understand
> (Only Mike has ever really tried to understand it)
> At least now it is all in one single contiguous block.
> 
> The x86utm operating system functions that it calls
> are found here:
> https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/x86utm.cpp
> 
> https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/include/Read_COFF_Object.h

No statement about anyone being proven wrong or contradicting anything
is inferred. Because of the errors identified above such inrefence would
be wrong anyway.

Therefore the claim quoted above is wrong.

-- 
Mikko