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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV! Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:39:19 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 74 Message-ID: <vov6sd$149qa$1@dont-email.me> References: <621vqjl19cqjvmto27775hbobmt6iu4966@4ax.com> <1r7sjqk.m9ljiy1luon6oN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <voqkbc$4e8g$1@dont-email.me> <1bu1rj9jv89lkmu62k6kc5537ch5j7flht@4ax.com> <it52rjp2tbd8klbs1ql1rrs1iiupa7kmg4@4ax.com> <1r7uesc.u8973e1bpa5z4N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <doa4rj5b2ahdeno6a41p717hqtmut4rpaa@4ax.com> <vou99s$rm6g$7@dont-email.me> <1r7w9dm.1vd6xpc1u7k344N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:34:38 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="58a98a0a62964576b7b97573eb06e56d"; logging-data="1189706"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19IUbNanieSZyTAtiF4FiAz" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.13.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:nlg9fHsYbrjUWdwYHYvc85dYjnk= In-Reply-To: <1r7w9dm.1vd6xpc1u7k344N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> Content-Language: en-US, fr-FR, nl-NL Bytes: 4563 On 2/17/25 11:09, Liz Tuddenham wrote: > Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote: > >> On 17/02/2025 5:17 am, Cursitor Doom wrote: >>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 10:10:26 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote: >>> >>>> Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 12:31:48 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 10:53:37 -0700, Don Y >>>>>> <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/15/2025 3:07 AM, Liz Tuddenham wrote: > It was clearly aimed at the >>>>>>> home market; he was supposed to be there to > talk about security in >>>>>>> Europe and never even mentioned Ukraine. All >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We (US) are governed by "entertainers", now more than ever. It is the >>>>>>> nature of our "system" that we reward people who can win races instead >>>>>>> of govern. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And, all of them end up "old and gray" (or, oldER and BALD as is the >>>>>>> case of The Orange One) in the process. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> that this speech has done is to turn most European countries against >>>>>>>> the kind of ignorant, thuggish, self-serving America he represents. >>>>>>>> Fortunately there are still many Americans who are not like that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is probably a good thing. Unless you are Putin. It's pretty clear >>>>>>> that Russia is a Potemkin power -- definitely not a "World Power". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The threat he poses is the threat ANY nation possessing nukes poses. >>>>>>> Care to make any guesses as to how many exist? Or, *could* exist if >>>>>>> gifted the technology? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The big question about Russian missiles and nukes is, will they work? >>>>> >>>>> The Russians know that their stuff isn't especially reliable, then and >>>>> now. So they have always used lots of warheads, so at least one will >>>>> work. >>>> >>>> Four of them came down in Romania last week - we haven't heard much >>>> about that on the UK news. Two were in Moldavia, close to the border, >>>> so they might have been a mistake, but two more were well inside >>>> Romania. >>> >>> Perhaps if we hadn't breached the Minsk II Treaty and expanded NATO up >>> to Russia's doorstep, none of this ghastly mess would have happened in >>> the first place. >> >> The Russian invasion of Ukraine is a reminder of why Russia's neighbours >> were so keen to join NATO. >> >> The ghastly mess is entirely driven by Russia's territorial ambitions. > > ...and the failure of the rest of the World to react to it strongly and > quickly enough. > > Which would have triggered another world war. I'm sorry for Ukraine, but they've committed a grave error trying to snuggle up to NATO too early. It might have worked if they'd waited another 50 years or so, or until relations of Russia with the west had developed into solid mutual trust. Unfortunately, that is now out of the question. It's really a pity. For a while, it looked like it could become a reality. Jeroen Belleman