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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: The set of necessary FISONs Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 20:36:45 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 33 Message-ID: <vp034d$188u3$2@dont-email.me> References: <vmo1bs$1rnl$1@dont-email.me> <999fb07e-7bef-4423-afeb-a08922613c65@att.net> <vo5cvb$3hukd$1@dont-email.me> <be2d9f3e-be38-451a-8598-de19a949cf1e@att.net> <vo7c1q$7ne$3@dont-email.me> <0d24c3fd-cd63-4e21-9dd4-ab1360560b09@att.net> <cc879e12-d325-48b6-be78-87b8b36cb50d@att.net> <vo8jr7$7mh2$2@dont-email.me> <79920977-902d-4f59-a11c-497383221c82@att.net> <voa1r5$ib75$1@dont-email.me> <468b9c37-ba93-485c-8685-4b320e168251@att.net> <vocig1$15cth$1@dont-email.me> <68bab5c2-50d3-43fc-be0d-51e01c5952bb@att.net> <vof5e4$1n7gr$1@dont-email.me> <a52c053a-8537-4f77-849d-aba3cf51283f@att.net> <vog83h$1rvmp$4@dont-email.me> <1e5cb0d4-f447-4fa7-b1e9-8056b03d27a2@att.net> <vohp3q$28sjf$1@dont-email.me> <b9b0c514-a71c-4cd8-b291-a4847db04795@att.net> <vokmsi$2t0ls$1@dont-email.me> <5f7c94ab-c633-40be-a7bc-9ed8c3795501@att.net> <vonefq$3eut3$2@dont-email.me> <83ca74c3-4714-43a2-afe5-ec9e70a5d828@att.net> <voq9lv$28vf$2@dont-email.me> <7ab7cbcd-2bcc-45e8-9cec-e97addda22f9@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 20:36:46 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="72add376f7ba82c64422c9ea25ab3536"; logging-data="1319875"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+m/fZVvmVdMziBnMNnwrRYEauurmF+ymU=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:EZitM/+d9dc1KSRbFwOSvBA+hqg= In-Reply-To: <7ab7cbcd-2bcc-45e8-9cec-e97addda22f9@att.net> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2903 On 16.02.2025 23:43, Jim Burns wrote: > On 2/15/2025 9:51 AM, WM wrote: >> On 14.02.2025 19:06, Jim Burns wrote: > >>> The set of all natural numbers is not.in >>> the only inductive subset of the set of >>> all natural numbers. >> >> The set of all natural numbers is constructed >> by induction. > > By axiom "infinity", > an inductive set exists. The axiom applies induction. > If the set with an only.inductive.subset > was an element, we'd prove the set has P. > But the set isn't an element. > We don't prove the set has P. Sometimes this is right, sometimes it is wrong. When all elements of a set are subject to induction then the set is an inductive set. When all elements of a set are removed, then the set is removed. Example: If every human has an end, then the human race need not have an end. If every human has ended, then the human race has ended. Regards, WM