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From: FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org>
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Subject: Re: H5N1 new cases
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 06:03:27 -0500
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RonO was thinking very hard :
> On 2/18/2025 1:19 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 18:02:34 -0600, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/third-avian-flu-spillover-reported-arizona-dairy-herd-raw-pet-food-sickens
>>>
>>> They are claiming that sequence results indicate that the Arizona dairy
>>> D1.1 infection is not related to the D1.1 dairy infection in Nevada.
>>> This would mean that avian influenza has transferred to cattle 3
>>> independent events.  Texas (B3.13), Nevada (D1.1), and now Arizona (D1.1)
>>>
>>> Two more cats in Oregon were infected by contaminated raw pet food made
>>> in Washington state.  They identified H5N1 in the cats that needed to be
>>> put down, and the pet food that both cats had eaten (the same brand).
>>> They now have a consumer alert on Wild Coast Raw, pet food.  A bunch of
>>> commercial and backyard poultry flocks have been hit by H5N1 in 4
>>> states, but like the cats they aren't stating what genotype they were
>>> infected with.  Two large layer farms went down in Indiana.  Over 57
>>> million birds affected since just Nov. 2024, 162 million since 2022.
>>>
>>> It should be noted that they only detected the Nevada and Arizona
>>> infections due to the recent USDA testing program.  The claim is that
>>> the herds were not showing symptoms until after they turned out
>>> positive.  They would have never been tested under the old volunteer
>>> testing program.
>>>
>>> https://www.cdfa.ca.gov/AHFSS/Animal_Health/HPAI.html
>>>
>>> California is claiming that 281 of the 745 infected herds have cleared
>>> the virus already.  This likely means that the virus likely has infected
>>> most of the herds in other states and they are likely fully recovered by
>>> the time that the USDA is finally testing them.  9 states were
>>> identified to have produced virus positive milk samples by the FDA, but
>>> they would not test their dairy herds back in May 2024.  3 of those
>>> states eventually claimed at least one infected herd, but the others
>>> remained in denial.  The virus likely burned through all the herds in
>>> those states by now, and the herds would have recovered months ago.  The
>>> D1.1 dairy infections is the second wave for these states.  Nevada had
>>> an older case of dairy virus infection, but they only claimed one
>>> infected herd, now they have half a dozen herds infected with D1.1, and
>>> none detected with B3.13.  The D1.1 virus likely spread through the
>>> Nevada herds the same way that the B3.13 virus spread (cattle and people
>>> shared between farms).  Now we even have evidence (3 infected
>>> veterinarians) that vets could have taken the virus from farm to farm,
>>> and not even known that they were infected.
>>>
>> 
>> Avian flu now a major problem in Northern Ireland:
>> 
>> 
>> "About 64,000 birds are being culled in County Tyrone after suspected
>> avian flu was reported at a commercial poultry premises.
>> https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgm28zp82zo
>> 
>> "Northern Ireland in eight-week provincewide bird lockdown as battle
>> against avian flu outbreak continues."
>> https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/northern-ireland-in-eight-week-provincewide-bird-lockdown-as-battle-against-avian-flu-outbreak-continues/ar-AA1zdYBM
>> 
>> With a very large beef and dairy industry throughout Ireland, I'd
>> guess a lot of famers are very worried right now about this spreading
>> to cattle.
>> 
>
> The protocol that they are not revealing in the US is that once a flock goes 
> down with high path avian influenza all poultry flocks within a mile radius 
> are depopulated.  That is why when a 3 million bird layer flock goes down 
> they depopulate the whole farm even if only one of the layer houses is 
> infected.  These facilities have at least 5 very large layer houses that 
> house birds of different ages so they always have most of their birds at near 
> peak production.
>
> It isn't lockdown, but depopulation of the living birds.
>
> I do not know what they do in Ireland.
>
> It looks like it can spread to cattle via the farm workers, my guess is that 
> if they did the contact tracing at the infected dairy farms in Nevada, that 
> they would find that the D1.1 infection came from one of the infected poultry 
> flocks that shared workers with dairy farms, and that some of the half dozen 
> infected dairies were also infected by shared dairy workers.  It spread to 
> half a dozen farms too quickly for it to be due to transfer of cattle.
>
> If you look at the data poultry workers are easily infected working with 
> infected birds, and some of these poultry workers also work on dairy farms.  
> Most of the commercial poultry farms have been infected by the B3.13 virus 
> from nearby dairies, and there is little doubt that it came onto the farms 
> with dairy workers.  The first cases in Michigan the USDA found that two 
> dairy workers on infected dairies also worked on two of the commercial layer 
> farms that got infected with the dairy virus, but the workers were never 
> tested and the denial of how the virus was spreading among dairy herds 
> continued, as the virus rapidly spread among dairies in Michigan even though 
> they were not moving cattle.
>
> For some stupid reason, California never restricted dairy worker movements 
> between farms even though they had initially found most of their infected 
> farms by contact tracing.  They restricted cattle movements, but not worker 
> movement.  The result has been that nearly all the herds in California were 
> allowed to be infected.
>
> Ireland should not make the same mistake.
>
> Ron Okimoto

I have been following your updates. Just FYI I received this from my 
online health portal.

https://www.dartmouth-hitchcock.org/stories/article/what-you-need-know-about-avian-influenza-virus