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From: Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
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Subject: Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2025 16:13:32 +1100
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On 22/02/2025 11:36 am, John Larkin wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 10:57:27 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
> 
>> Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 08:47:53 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>> Putin is nothing like Hitler. He's got no enthusiasm for mass murder,
>>>>> and there's no obvious evidence that he is zenophobic.
>>>>
>>>> Have you seen what he is doing to transgender people?  That is
>>>> zenophobia by another name and is an attempt to kill off a whole section
>>>> of the population by withdrawing needed medical treatment.   Medical
>>>> websites have been closed to prevent doctors treating their patients.
>>>>
>>>> American history is being re-written to erase anyone suspected of being
>>>> transgender.  Families with anyone transgender have been moving away
>>> >from certain states for some time, now a 'kindertransport'  organisation
>>>> has been set up to get transgender children and adults out of America
>>>> before the purges start in ernest.  It's not being publicised in the
>>>> gutter press, who are still printing transphobic rants, but it is
>>>> happening - in America - now.
>>>
>>> Subject close to your heart, is it?
>>
>> Very much so;  politicians driving children to suicide by banning their
>> health care is something we should all be concerned about.
> 
> https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11063965/
> 
> Results
> 
> Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold
> higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not (3.47% vs. 0.29%,
> RR 95% CI 9.20-15.96, p < 0.0001).

Individual who underwent gender-affirming surgery clearly suffered more 
severely from gender dysphoria than those who did not. This is an apples 
and pears comparison. I don't know how you'd quantify the severity of 
gender dysphoria, but any study that compared suicide risk would have to 
find some proxy for it to produce results that would mean what you want 
them to mean.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney