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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: The set of necessary FISONs Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 15:43:48 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 45 Message-ID: <vpfc74$hq5c$2@dont-email.me> References: <vmo1bs$1rnl$1@dont-email.me> <f85884a59c9301bfc9d6a66fa935b74dc080ff24@i2pn2.org> <vot40r$lfa0$2@dont-email.me> <865ffa4c4c1091981c5b3b93ddf3dba690cd5ad2@i2pn2.org> <vp02g2$188u2$7@dont-email.me> <559d228c01ea290aec13e735ec85036862578165@i2pn2.org> <vp1lap$1l5b9$1@dont-email.me> <5220af0cb7d579f20d58809659d8dcb8d7ba046c@i2pn2.org> <vp28k5$1o28v$4@dont-email.me> <685c1274-e22f-409d-b39c-c3a5430c2f57@att.net> <vp528n$2bale$1@dont-email.me> <69f56ce0-08a2-4614-b102-e333175c643d@att.net> <vp6rg8$2o8sd$7@dont-email.me> <9a88665f-211f-4260-b585-97c72c7b6d1b@att.net> <vp7qea$2tofq$5@dont-email.me> <8bed122d8b355eff96158e6f5cb76cffcc42925c@i2pn2.org> <vp9hl1$3afuk$6@dont-email.me> <7a26856916099747e76314a2b4c79693e14426fd@i2pn2.org> <vpacfc$3fush$1@dont-email.me> <b3d7070e-1381-41e3-9ace-0f21bc052d0b@att.net> <vpc885$3t9g8$1@dont-email.me> <e19b21b4-07f1-46ac-94f0-dac6cd114754@att.net> <vpetjf$eusv$3@dont-email.me> <98baf83e-820e-4e1b-be2c-e5ea4802683d@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 15:43:48 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="52f6fd28db1d05bae010495a472f7061"; logging-data="583852"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19iJ2FHyxrLD/uoHr2ONnhfoGxAiEIzZYY=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:DYCbCgICeb58kt+2bUWwf5Xybag= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <98baf83e-820e-4e1b-be2c-e5ea4802683d@att.net> Bytes: 3051 On 23.02.2025 14:55, Jim Burns wrote: > On 2/23/2025 5:34 AM, WM wrote: >> On 22.02.2025 21:29, Jim Burns wrote: >>> On 2/22/2025 5:17 AM, WM wrote: > >>>> We can remove all numbers from Z_0 >>>> and produce the empty set. >>> >>> We can remove all numbers from {137} >>> and produce the empty set. >>> >>> {137} ≠ 137 >> >> If we remove all numbers from {137} >> we produce { }, >> if we remove all numbers from 137 >> nothing remains. >> It is a matter of taste >> whether the empty set is nothing. > > Nothing is what is in {}. > {{}} ≠ {} > Nothing is not what is in {{}}. > > The set of all FISONs with > each omissible FISON omitted > is {F}\{F} = {} Right. UF = ℕ ==> Ø = ℕ. > > The set of all FISONs with > the set of omissible FISONs omitted > is {F}\{{F}} = {F} There is no reason to consider {{F}} at all. We omit all F(n) which amounts to remove F. Like all natural numbers amount to ℕ (not {ℕ}) >>>> Homework: Show the same for the set of FISONs. > > {{}} ≠ {} > Wrong. Regards, WM