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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH ---USPTO
 Incorporation by reference --- despicable dishonesty
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 11:32:33 -0600
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On 2/22/2025 8:41 PM, dbush wrote:
> On 2/22/2025 7:45 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 2/22/2025 6:02 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 2/22/25 11:52 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 2/22/2025 5:05 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>> Am Thu, 20 Feb 2025 18:25:27 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>> On 2/20/2025 4:38 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>>>>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/20/2025 2:38 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2025-02-20 00:31:33 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have given everyone here all of the complete source code for 
>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>> True but irrelevant. OP did not specify that HHH means that
>>>>>>>>> particular code.
>>>>>>>> Every post that I have been talking about for two or more years has
>>>>>>>> referred to variations of that same code.
>>>>>>> Yes.  It would be a relief if you could move on to posting something
>>>>>>> new and fresh.
>>>>>> As soon as people fully address rather than endlessly dodge my key
>>>>>> points I will be done.
>>>>> Honestly, you're gonna die first, one way or the other.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's start with a root point.
>>>>>> All of the other points validate this root point.
>>>>>> *Simulating termination analyzer HHH correctly determines*
>>>>>> *the non-halt status of DD*
>>>>> Since DD halts, that's dead in the water.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Despicably intentionally dishonest attempts at the straw-man
>>>> deception aside:
>>>>
>>>> DD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate
>>>> normally by reaching its own "return" instruction.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Only because that statement is based on a false premise.
>>>
>>> Since HHH doesn't correctly simulate its input, your statement is 
>>> just a fabrication of your imagination.
>>
>> *Correct simulation means emulates the machine code as specified*
>> It cannot mean imagining a different sequence than the one that the 
>> machine code specifies. That most people here are clueless about
>> x86 machine code is far less than no rebuttal at all.
>>
>> _DD()
>> [00002133] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>> [00002134] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>> [00002136] 51         push ecx      ; make space for local
>> [00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD
>> [0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD)
>> [00002141] 83c404     add esp,+04
>> [00002144] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
>> [00002147] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
>> [0000214b] 7402       jz 0000214f
>> [0000214d] ebfe       jmp 0000214d
>> [0000214f] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
>> [00002152] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
>> [00002154] 5d         pop ebp
>> [00002155] c3         ret
>> Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155]
>>
>> When DD emulated by HHH calls HHH(DD) this call cannot
>> possibly return to the emulator, conclusively proving
>> that
>>
>> DD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate
>> normally by reaching its own "return" instruction.
>>
>> Assuming that it does return is simply stupid.
>>
>>
> 
> Similarly, when no_numbers_greater_than_10 emulated by F calls F(0) this 
> call cannot possibly return to the emulator, conclusively proving that

Not true. The stack eventually unwinds after ten emulations.

> 
> no_numbers_greater_than_10 correctly emulated by F cannot possibly 
> terminate normally by reaching its own "return" instruction
> 
> Therefore you believe that there is no natural number greater than 10.
> 
> Assuming that is does return is simply stupid.
> 


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