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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH ---USPTO
 Incorporation by reference --- despicable dishonesty
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 21:36:14 -0600
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On 2/23/2025 8:50 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 2/23/25 12:32 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 2/22/2025 8:41 PM, dbush wrote:
>>> On 2/22/2025 7:45 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 2/22/2025 6:02 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 2/22/25 11:52 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/22/2025 5:05 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>> Am Thu, 20 Feb 2025 18:25:27 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>> On 2/20/2025 4:38 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>>>>>>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/20/2025 2:38 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-02-20 00:31:33 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have given everyone here all of the complete source code 
>>>>>>>>>>>> for a few
>>>>>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>>>> True but irrelevant. OP did not specify that HHH means that
>>>>>>>>>>> particular code.
>>>>>>>>>> Every post that I have been talking about for two or more 
>>>>>>>>>> years has
>>>>>>>>>> referred to variations of that same code.
>>>>>>>>> Yes.  It would be a relief if you could move on to posting 
>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>> new and fresh.
>>>>>>>> As soon as people fully address rather than endlessly dodge my key
>>>>>>>> points I will be done.
>>>>>>> Honestly, you're gonna die first, one way or the other.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let's start with a root point.
>>>>>>>> All of the other points validate this root point.
>>>>>>>> *Simulating termination analyzer HHH correctly determines*
>>>>>>>> *the non-halt status of DD*
>>>>>>> Since DD halts, that's dead in the water.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Despicably intentionally dishonest attempts at the straw-man
>>>>>> deception aside:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate
>>>>>> normally by reaching its own "return" instruction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Only because that statement is based on a false premise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since HHH doesn't correctly simulate its input, your statement is 
>>>>> just a fabrication of your imagination.
>>>>
>>>> *Correct simulation means emulates the machine code as specified*
>>>> It cannot mean imagining a different sequence than the one that the 
>>>> machine code specifies. That most people here are clueless about
>>>> x86 machine code is far less than no rebuttal at all.
>>>>
>>>> _DD()
>>>> [00002133] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>> [00002134] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>> [00002136] 51         push ecx      ; make space for local
>>>> [00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD
>>>> [0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD)
>>>> [00002141] 83c404     add esp,+04
>>>> [00002144] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
>>>> [00002147] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
>>>> [0000214b] 7402       jz 0000214f
>>>> [0000214d] ebfe       jmp 0000214d
>>>> [0000214f] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
>>>> [00002152] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
>>>> [00002154] 5d         pop ebp
>>>> [00002155] c3         ret
>>>> Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155]
>>>>
>>>> When DD emulated by HHH calls HHH(DD) this call cannot
>>>> possibly return to the emulator, conclusively proving
>>>> that
>>>>
>>>> DD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate
>>>> normally by reaching its own "return" instruction.
>>>>
>>>> Assuming that it does return is simply stupid.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Similarly, when no_numbers_greater_than_10 emulated by F calls F(0) 
>>> this call cannot possibly return to the emulator, conclusively 
>>> proving that
>>
>> Not true. The stack eventually unwinds after ten emulations.
> 
> Just like a CORRECT emulation of DD would if the HHH doing the emulation 
> didn't abort (but doing it by the hypothetical of NOT changing the HHH 
> that DD calls, since that must be the original HHH).
> 
> Your problem is you have lied to yourself about what is a "correct 
> emulation" 

In other words you "believe" that the call from DD to HHH(DD)
returns when the above DD is emulated by HHH.

This is proven to be counter-factual by anyone that understands
the above code.

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Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer