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Path: ...!news.misty.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: The CMBR Disproves the Big Bang. Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 11:32:42 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 48 Message-ID: <vphhlk$11gmi$1@dont-email.me> References: <582d81a086d369cf0cd2e78d401de6ec@www.novabbs.com> <vparjj$3ints$1@dont-email.me> <41a98ea5e38cb584b18f787ed3ff7974@www.novabbs.com> <vpf8r5$h0b0$4@dont-email.me> <53854a8a959fc73daef5f1b3e2463235@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 11:29:09 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8aa202137bbfb0e7820d04985cb42bdc"; logging-data="1098450"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19BfqsPdtlJ8/3K/aPyhO2e" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:xC5WDuVTdZ8rfocUHWyG03tA+Sc= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <53854a8a959fc73daef5f1b3e2463235@www.novabbs.com> Bytes: 3127 Den 23.02.2025 21:59, skrev LaurenceClarkCrossen: > On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 13:49:46 +0000, Paul.B.Andersen wrote: > >> Den 22.02.2025 00:28, skrev LaurenceClarkCrossen: >>> If the universe is spherical the surface has no center so we cannot be >>> on it. We have to be in the center of that sphere because the red-shift >>> is exactly the same in every direction. >> >> Will you never learn that the observable universe is spherical >> and we are in the exact centre? :-D > That's very cheeky, Paul, but you're still ending your comments with a > "duh." Will you never learn that the velocity-distance relation places > us at the center of the actual universe, and you can't deny that by > claiming the universe is a sphere and the surface of a sphere has no > center? You miss the point completely! We are _obviously_ in the centre of _our_ observable universe because the most distant light sources we can see are as far away as the light can reach us now, which is ~46 billion light years away in all directions. The point is that if there are observers on a planet - say 5 billion light years away - they will also be in the centre of their observable universe. We see them 5 billions year ago, and at that time they would see us 5 billion years before that, which is 10 billion years ago. They will see a very different universe than we see. Point being, every point in the universe is in the centre of their visible universe. And since the red shift is caused by expansion of the universe, it is obvious that the red shift increases with the distance in all direction. An observer 5 billion ly away will observe _exactly_ the same. Do you really not understand that? An 2D analogy of a 3D problem: Put a lot of dots on a baloon. Blow it up. Think! -- Paul https://paulba.no/