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From: Mark J cleary <mcleary08@comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: Machine Shop
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 12:35:11 -0600
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On 2/24/2025 12:05 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 11:44:02 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>> On 2/22/2025 1:58 PM, cyclintom wrote:
>>>> Who the hell does he think he's impressi9ng by saying
>>>> that yhe didn't look down at down tube friction shifters in races
>>
>> I'm not impressing anyone, because no one else had to look down either.
>> If one needed to look down to shift, they shouldn't be racing.
> 
> My touring bicycle has downtube shifters.  When I was riding it, I
> would look down before shifting at the start of the ride.  After I
> became accustomed to its position, I didn't need to look down.  If I
> adjusted the saddle or handlebars position, I had to start over.  I
> assume that racers and pros do not tinker with these adjustments prior
> to a race and would therefore have the time needed to properly find
> the down tube shifters.
> 
> In the my computer biz and piano pounding hobby, I've noticed that a
> fair number of people look at their hands instead of the computer
> screen or sheet music.  I had both of these problems when I was first
> learning to type and play.  I've partly fix the keyboard problem and
> can now type on the letter keys without looking at the keyboard.
> However, the rows of numbers, function keys and number pad are a lost
> cause.  I have to look at those.  The problem is that there are far
> too many different keyboard layouts.  Recognizing the problem, I
> purchase about 10 Dell SK-81xx mechanical keyboards for use at home
> and in my former office.
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=dell%20sk-81%3F%3F&udm=2>
> I can now almost type with my eyes closed.
> 
> With the piano, the problem was that I play almost totally by ear.  No
> sheet music.  Therefore, I had no incentive to learn to play by touch
> or with my eyes closed.  I can play with my eyes closed on my Korg
> DSS-1 synthesizer, but not on any other piano, organ, etc:
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=korg%20dss-1&udm=2>
> 
> What's happening is that people have varying degrees of hand-eye
> coordination.  Some people can type or play piano with their eye's
> closed.  Here's an example of one pianist who can play without looking
> at his hands:
> <https://www.youtube.com/@Lord_Vinheteiro/videos>
> For cycling, the trick is to reduce the number of variables to make
> shifting easier for the rider.  That means don't move the saddle or
> shifters, large paddle handles, and lots of practice.
> 
> 
> 
As a trained guitarist and sight reader of music I look at the music and 
occasionally look at the guitar neck to check when making big jumps. 
Most guitarist do no sight read music but I do by standards quite 
well.It is all about knowing the neck and looking ahead a notes coming 
yet reading the current ones. The human brain is quite remarkable. I 
play by ear too but that is just automatic and comes with the territory. 
Very difficult to explain.

-- 
Deacon Mark