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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: Mathematical incompleteness has always been a misconception --- Tarski Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 15:31:26 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 57 Message-ID: <vpioff$1euhp$2@dont-email.me> References: <vnh0sq$35mcm$1@dont-email.me> <vnndqs$kef3$1@dont-email.me> <vnpd96$vl84$1@dont-email.me> <vnqm3p$1apip$1@dont-email.me> <vnqsbh$1c5sq$1@dont-email.me> <vnsm90$1pr86$1@dont-email.me> <vnte6s$1tra8$1@dont-email.me> <vnv4tf$2a43e$1@dont-email.me> <vo0249$2eqdl$1@dont-email.me> <vo1qae$2s4cr$1@dont-email.me> <vo2i10$302f0$1@dont-email.me> <vo4nj4$3f6so$1@dont-email.me> <vo5btf$3ipo2$1@dont-email.me> <vo7ckh$q2p$1@dont-email.me> <vo7tdg$36ra$6@dont-email.me> <voa09t$idij$1@dont-email.me> <7e532aaf77653daac5ca2b70bf26d0a3bc515abf@i2pn2.org> <voceuj$14r1q$1@dont-email.me> <vocp21$16c4e$1@dont-email.me> <vof6hb$1nh1f$1@dont-email.me> <voflif$1q1mh$2@dont-email.me> <vohsmu$29krm$1@dont-email.me> <vp10ic$1e7iv$2@dont-email.me> <f249a1ab72772fbbd2fd8785493f9b91e3bb58b0@i2pn2.org> <vp236u$1n991$4@dont-email.me> <vp6r16$2p1if$1@dont-email.me> <vpb1rf$3jct4$14@dont-email.me> <vpc4ed$3sn03$1@dont-email.me> <vpd19c$irt$8@dont-email.me> <vphbuh$10ia3$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 22:31:28 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="487181fedfd21929033b992c18779cf6"; logging-data="1538617"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/xc91EGt3264BtET+Fcyo3" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:eFYxDBTVs0SjHFUAgzBU4IpNF94= In-Reply-To: <vphbuh$10ia3$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250224-8, 2/24/2025), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean On 2/24/2025 2:51 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2025-02-22 17:24:59 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 2/22/2025 3:12 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2025-02-21 23:22:23 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> On 2/20/2025 3:01 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>> On 2025-02-18 13:50:22 +0000, olcott said: >>>>> >>>>>> There is nothing like that in the following concrete example: >>>>>> LP := ~True(LP) >>>>>> >>>>>> In other words you are saying the Prolog is incorrect >>>>>> to reject the Liar Paradox. >>>>>> >>>>>> Above translated to Prolog >>>>>> >>>>>> ?- LP = not(true(LP)). >>>>>> LP = not(true(LP)). >>>>> >>>>> According to Prolog rules LP = not(true(LP)) is permitted to fail. >>>>> If it succeeds the operations using LP may misbehave. A memory >>>>> leak is also possible. >>>>> >>>>>> ?- unify_with_occurs_check(LP, not(true(LP))). >>>>>> false >>>>> >>>>> This merely means that the result of unification would be that LP >>>>> conains >>>>> itself. It could be a selmantically valid result but is not in the >>>>> scope >>>>> of Prolog language. >>>>> >>>> >>>> It does not mean that. You are wrong. >>> >>> It does in the context where it was presented. More generally, >>> unify_with_occurs_check also fails if the arguments are not >>> unfiable. But this possibility is already excluded by their >>> successfull unification. >>> >> >> IT CANNOT POSSIBLY BE SEMANTICALLY VALID > > Of course it is. Its semantics is well defined by the Prolog standard. Go freaking read the Clocksin and Mellish. an "infinite term" means NOT SEMANTICALLY VALID. > Whether you like that semantics or not is irrelevant. > What time is it (yes or no) ? is also NOT SEMANTICALLY VALID. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer