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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN --- Saving Democracy Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 19:12:14 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 27 Message-ID: <vpj5dg$1hb0e$1@dont-email.me> References: <vo6420$3mpmf$1@dont-email.me> <vpd97q$3e5k$2@dont-email.me> <vpdaj5$3u9g$1@dont-email.me> <vpdatp$3e5k$3@dont-email.me> <vpddgj$3u9g$2@dont-email.me> <vpddqm$3e5k$4@dont-email.me> <vpdkhv$5kr2$1@dont-email.me> <vpdks8$5ga3$1@dont-email.me> <vpdqc8$6bqs$1@dont-email.me> <vpe1g3$7gnd$1@dont-email.me> <vpflv1$j7qb$1@dont-email.me> <vpfnhm$jena$1@dont-email.me> <vpgded$nkbd$1@dont-email.me> <vpgdn8$nlei$1@dont-email.me> <vpgh33$o4p7$1@dont-email.me> <vpghkq$o82o$1@dont-email.me> <vpgk2q$okhu$1@dont-email.me> <vpgo94$p8he$1@dont-email.me> <vpgoia$p9vl$1@dont-email.me> <vpgrdl$tdkf$1@dont-email.me> <vpgtb3$tiun$2@dont-email.me> <vpgth7$tdkf$3@dont-email.me> <vpgufr$truc$1@dont-email.me> <vpguru$tdkf$4@dont-email.me> <vpgvcv$tuuf$1@dont-email.me> <vphr67$13hrc$1@dont-email.me> <vpi0rc$14kaj$1@dont-email.me> <vpi1ni$13hrc$3@dont-email.me> <vpio66$1euhp$1@dont-email.me> <vpipdj$1f8pm$1@dont-email.me> <vpiujl$1fvqe$2@dont-email.me> <vpj1if$1gok4$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 02:12:17 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="84b3281cc50da96d4f212543eabff5de"; logging-data="1616910"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+NNyqAXgVpu8gpAGWSv9CU" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:czFhYKTofcEu8sQkaiBddYjY6ck= Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <vpj1if$1gok4$1@dont-email.me> X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250224-8, 2/24/2025), Outbound message Bytes: 2983 On 2/24/2025 6:06 PM, dbush wrote: > On 2/24/2025 6:16 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 2/24/2025 3:47 PM, dbush wrote: >>> On 2/24/2025 4:26 PM, olcott wrote: >> >> HHH that aborts its simulation and a purely >> hypothetical (imaginary never implemented) >> HHH that never aborts its simulation. >> > > > Same thing. F aborts its (admittedly poor) simulation by breaking out > of a recursive chain, and a hypothetical F that performs a correct > unaborted simulation. The simple fact that the hypothetical HHH would never terminate conclusively proves that DD specifies behavior that cannot possibly terminate normally. That you may not understand these things well enough to see this is less than no rebuttal at all. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer