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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN --- Saving Democracy Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 20:15:57 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 71 Message-ID: <vpj94u$1hivf$4@dont-email.me> References: <vo6420$3mpmf$1@dont-email.me> <vpdks8$5ga3$1@dont-email.me> <vpdqc8$6bqs$1@dont-email.me> <vpe1g3$7gnd$1@dont-email.me> <vpflv1$j7qb$1@dont-email.me> <vpfnhm$jena$1@dont-email.me> <vpgded$nkbd$1@dont-email.me> <vpgdn8$nlei$1@dont-email.me> <vpgh33$o4p7$1@dont-email.me> <vpghkq$o82o$1@dont-email.me> <vpgk2q$okhu$1@dont-email.me> <vpgo94$p8he$1@dont-email.me> <vpgoia$p9vl$1@dont-email.me> <vpgrdl$tdkf$1@dont-email.me> <vpgtb3$tiun$2@dont-email.me> <vpgth7$tdkf$3@dont-email.me> <vpgufr$truc$1@dont-email.me> <vpguru$tdkf$4@dont-email.me> <vpgvcv$tuuf$1@dont-email.me> <vphr67$13hrc$1@dont-email.me> <vpi0rc$14kaj$1@dont-email.me> <vpi1ni$13hrc$3@dont-email.me> <vpio66$1euhp$1@dont-email.me> <vpipdj$1f8pm$1@dont-email.me> <vpiujl$1fvqe$2@dont-email.me> <vpj1if$1gok4$1@dont-email.me> <vpj5dg$1hb0e$1@dont-email.me> <vpj683$1gok4$3@dont-email.me> <vpj7ep$1hivf$1@dont-email.me> <vpj7mh$1gok4$4@dont-email.me> <vpj862$1hivf$2@dont-email.me> <vpj8fo$1gok4$5@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 03:15:58 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d7f5243c959a7602a776d3f4f3c46b69"; logging-data="1625071"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/DUfg0/cr9AfSMpHx+9hkL" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:fyG+IXKMXGi0YD5z+iNfihzIuzE= Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <vpj8fo$1gok4$5@dont-email.me> X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250224-8, 2/24/2025), Outbound message Bytes: 4318 On 2/24/2025 8:04 PM, dbush wrote: > On 2/24/2025 8:59 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 2/24/2025 7:51 PM, dbush wrote: >>> On 2/24/2025 8:47 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 2/24/2025 7:26 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>> On 2/24/2025 8:12 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 2/24/2025 6:06 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>>>> On 2/24/2025 6:16 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2/24/2025 3:47 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 2/24/2025 4:26 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> HHH that aborts its simulation and a purely >>>>>>>> hypothetical (imaginary never implemented) >>>>>>>> HHH that never aborts its simulation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Same thing. F aborts its (admittedly poor) simulation by >>>>>>> breaking out of a recursive chain, and a hypothetical F that >>>>>>> performs a correct unaborted simulation. >>>>>> >>>>>> The simple fact that the hypothetical HHH would never >>>>>> terminate conclusively proves that DD specifies behavior >>>>>> that cannot possibly terminate normally. >>>>> >>>>> And the simple fact that the hypothetical F would never terminate >>>>> conclusively proves that no_numbers_greater_than_10 specifies >>>>> behavior that cannot possibly terminate normally. >>>>> >>>>> Agreed? >>>> >>>> I will not discuss your code. >>>> >>> >>> I'll let you respond to yourself here: >>> >>> On 11/10/2024 11:41 PM, olcott wrote: >>> > That is a dishonest dodge. An honest rebuttal would explain >>> > all of the details of how I am incorrect. You can't do that >>> > because I am correct. >>> >>> >> >> Your code is not isomorphic to my code thus an >> irrelevant change of subject away from the point. >> >> > > > That is counter-factual. > > According to you, the behavior of DD correctly simulated by HHH is > defined by this code: > > int HHH(ptr P) > { > /* replace all code with an unconditional simulator */ > } > I already corrected you on this misunderstanding. HHH has two versions the real one and the imaginary on that never aborts the simulation of its input. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer