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From: dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH --- RECURSIVE CHAIN
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 22:59:06 -0500
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On 2/24/2025 10:51 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 2/24/2025 8:18 PM, dbush wrote:
>> On 2/24/2025 9:15 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 2/24/2025 8:04 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>> On 2/24/2025 8:59 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 2/24/2025 7:51 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/24/2025 8:47 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/24/2025 7:26 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/24/2025 8:12 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/24/2025 6:06 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/24/2025 6:16 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/24/2025 3:47 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/24/2025 4:26 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> HHH that aborts its simulation and a purely
>>>>>>>>>>> hypothetical (imaginary never implemented)
>>>>>>>>>>> HHH that never aborts its simulation.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Same thing.  F aborts its (admittedly poor) simulation by 
>>>>>>>>>> breaking out of a recursive chain, and a hypothetical F that 
>>>>>>>>>> performs a correct unaborted simulation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The simple fact that the hypothetical HHH would never
>>>>>>>>> terminate conclusively proves that DD specifies behavior
>>>>>>>>> that cannot possibly terminate normally.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And the simple fact that the hypothetical F would never 
>>>>>>>> terminate conclusively proves that no_numbers_greater_than_10 
>>>>>>>> specifies behavior that cannot possibly terminate normally.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Agreed?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will not discuss your code.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll let you respond to yourself here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/10/2024 11:41 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>  > That is a dishonest dodge. An honest rebuttal would explain
>>>>>>  > all of the details of how I am incorrect. You can't do that
>>>>>>  > because I am correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Your code is not isomorphic to my code thus an
>>>>> irrelevant change of subject away from the point.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is counter-factual.
>>>>
>>>> According to you, the behavior of DD correctly simulated by HHH is 
>>>> defined by this code:
>>>>
>>>> int HHH(ptr P)
>>>> {
>>>>      /* replace all code with an unconditional simulator */
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>
>>> I already corrected you on this misunderstanding.
>>> HHH has two versions the real one and the imaginary
>>> on that never aborts the simulation of its input.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> And F has two versions, a real one and the imaginary one that never 
>> aborts the simulation of its input.
> 
> You already said that F halts after ten invocations
> and and that F does not halt.
> 

Changing the subject to the direct execution of 
no_numbers_greater_than_10 is the dishonest dodge of the strawman deception.

The subject is the correct simulation of no_numbers_greater_than_10  by F.