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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: Mathematical incompleteness has always been a misconception --- Ultimate Foundation of Truth Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 17:35:15 +0200 Organization: - Lines: 45 Message-ID: <vpknvj$220kr$1@dont-email.me> References: <vnh0sq$35mcm$1@dont-email.me> <vnpd96$vl84$1@dont-email.me> <vnqm3p$1apip$1@dont-email.me> <vnqsbh$1c5sq$1@dont-email.me> <vnsm90$1pr86$1@dont-email.me> <vnte6s$1tra8$1@dont-email.me> <vnv4tf$2a43e$1@dont-email.me> <vo0249$2eqdl$1@dont-email.me> <vo1qae$2s4cr$1@dont-email.me> <vo2i10$302f0$1@dont-email.me> <vo4nj4$3f6so$1@dont-email.me> <vo5btf$3ipo2$1@dont-email.me> <vo7ckh$q2p$1@dont-email.me> <vo7tdg$36ra$6@dont-email.me> <voa09t$idij$1@dont-email.me> <7e532aaf77653daac5ca2b70bf26d0a3bc515abf@i2pn2.org> <voceuj$14r1q$1@dont-email.me> <vocp21$16c4e$1@dont-email.me> <vof6hb$1nh1f$1@dont-email.me> <voflif$1q1mh$2@dont-email.me> <vohsmu$29krm$1@dont-email.me> <vp10ic$1e7iv$2@dont-email.me> <vp6qjb$2ousc$1@dont-email.me> <vpb1le$3jct4$13@dont-email.me> <0f7cd503773838ad12f124f23106d53552e277b8@i2pn2.org> <vpbknk$3qig2$1@dont-email.me> <vpc560$3sqf7$1@dont-email.me> <vpd5r4$2q85$2@dont-email.me> <vphcbf$10k3h$1@dont-email.me> <vpip7a$1euhp$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 16:35:15 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="48c5b33a3ab8096369972397d341e038"; logging-data="2163355"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/dmUz+7q7w4wIEQkVtan+R" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:vqvT0FnejpNEdqPQRD+mtUiQ11A= Bytes: 3321 On 2025-02-24 21:44:10 +0000, olcott said: > On 2/24/2025 2:58 AM, Mikko wrote: >> On 2025-02-22 18:42:44 +0000, olcott said: >> >>> On 2/22/2025 3:25 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>> On 2025-02-22 04:44:35 +0000, olcott said: >>>> >>>>> On 2/21/2025 7:05 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>> On 2/21/25 6:19 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> On 2/20/2025 2:54 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2025-02-18 03:59:08 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>> >>>>>>> Tarski anchored his whole proof in the Liar Paradox. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> By showing that given the necessary prerequisites, The equivalent of >>>>>> the Liar Paradox was a statement that the Truth Predicate had to be >>>>>> able to handle, which it can't. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It can be easily handled as ~True(LP) & ~True(~LP), Tarski just >>>>> didn't think it through. >>>> >>>> No, it can't. Tarski requires that True be a predicate, i.e, a truth >>>> valued function of one term. >>> >>> It does not matter a whit what the Hell his misconceptions >>> required. >> >> It is not required by any misconception. It is required by the >> meanings of the words and symbols, in particular "predicare" >> and "~". > > That none of modern logic can handle expressions > that are not truth bearers is their error and > short-coming. Why should any logic permit formulas that are not truth-bearers? (Of course, term expressions are not truth-bearers.) -- Mikko