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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!panix!.POSTED.2602:f977:0:1::2!not-for-mail From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) Newsgroups: comp.misc Subject: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 19:12:32 -0500 (EST) Organization: Former users of Netcom shell (1989-2000) Message-ID: <vplm9g$bh8$1@panix2.panix.com> References: <67b21894$14$17$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <87tt8odsb7.fsf@example.com> <1b411147-a833-8c73-2d85-e5c749fc23b9@example.net> <87ikp03y4r.fsf@example.com> Injection-Info: reader1.panix.com; posting-host="2602:f977:0:1::2"; logging-data="13470"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@panix.com" Bytes: 1877 Lines: 24 Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote: >I don't have much information. The command line seemed an awful >experience to them. I suspect that they thought that the command line >was archaic means of system interface and that perhaps it was just a >teacher idiosyncrasy. This is something I see a lot of... we get interns who are engineering students or computer science students and they have never seen a command line of any sort before. Not bash, not powershell, not anything. They first of all don't get the command line concept and secondly they don't get the concept of the heirarchical filesystem. "The file is on the computer!" "But where on the computer?" "It's on the computer!" We even got a guy with a PhD in CS from a university that I had previously thought reputable who had never used a command line and who just could not understand how make works in spite of the O'Reilly book. I think some of these concepts have to be introduced early on, but they NEED to be introduced early on in order to get any kind of basic computer literacy. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."