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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Equation complexe Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 16:34:58 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 78 Message-ID: <vplnji$27sv3$3@dont-email.me> References: <oAvE_mEWK82aUJOdwpGna1Rzs1U@jntp> <vplf03$26m33$2@dont-email.me> <phaAQGQzp-zUFaCH1je-PMrkpYE@jntp> <vplkro$27sv3$1@dont-email.me> <BemyjeEyCW-MjW40qw4k1u6D-7E@jntp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 01:34:59 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7d2bb58dfe24acf4c8e5f08fe35a4e41"; logging-data="2356195"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/CLG6m0yMUil+qQN04kLpYd2wrsPHVMG0=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:ySWleXCm+NFa6XpJKrcPmeClkgU= In-Reply-To: <BemyjeEyCW-MjW40qw4k1u6D-7E@jntp> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3652 On 2/25/2025 4:11 PM, Richard Hachel wrote: > Le 26/02/2025 à 00:48, "Chris M. Thomasson" a écrit : >> On 2/25/2025 2:20 PM, Richard Hachel wrote: >>> Le 25/02/2025 à 23:08, "Chris M. Thomasson" a écrit : >>>> On 2/25/2025 6:23 AM, Richard Hachel wrote: >>>>> x^4=-81 >>>>> >>>>> What is x? >> [...] >>> x=-1.873444 >> >> To the 13'th power with higher precision: >> >> roots[0] = (1.01898,0.251156) >> roots[1] = (0.7855438,0.6959311) >> roots[2] = (0.3721492,0.9812768) >> roots[3] = (-0.1265003,1.041824) >> roots[4] = (-0.5961701,0.8637015) >> roots[5] = (-0.9292645,0.4877156) >> roots[6] = (-1.049476,5.945845e-16) >> roots[7] = (-0.9292645,-0.4877156) >> roots[8] = (-0.5961701,-0.8637015) >> roots[9] = (-0.1265003,-1.041824) >> roots[10] = (0.3721492,-0.9812768) >> roots[11] = (0.7855438,-0.6959311) >> roots[12] = (1.01898,-0.251156) >> >> raised[0] = (-1.873444,2.294307e-16) >> raised[1] = (-1.873444,4.016197e-15) >> raised[2] = (-1.873444,4.475059e-15) >> raised[3] = (-1.873444,1.606015e-15) >> raised[4] = (-1.873444,2.064877e-15) >> raised[5] = (-1.873444,9.179548e-15) >> raised[6] = (-1.873444,9.63841e-15) >> raised[7] = (-1.873444,4.132072e-15) >> raised[8] = (-1.873444,4.590934e-15) >> raised[9] = (-1.873444,1.170561e-14) >> raised[10] = (-1.873444,2.214818e-14) >> raised[11] = (-1.873444,1.262333e-14) >> raised[12] = (-1.873444,2.306591e-14) > > I think that for the moment, we are making things terribly complicated. > If I ask you the cube root of 27? > Are you going to make a computer program? > Why make a computer program if I ask you the fourth root of -81? > > The answer is simple and obvious. x=3i. The fourth root of -81+0i wrt power of 4 is *: roots[0] = (2.12132,2.12132) roots[1] = (-2.12132,2.12132) roots[2] = (-2.12132,-2.121321) *roots[3] = (2.12132,-2.121321) I don't know what you x=3i even means right now. Any of these roots raised to the 4'th power equals -81+0i. > > All these misunderstandings come from the fact that no clear and > universally usable definition of the imaginary number i has ever been > given. > > Against all expectations, in analytical mathematics, i is an imaginary > unit such that, for all x, i^x=-1. > > We see that saying that i²=-1 is completely legal. > > Or that sqrt(i)=i^(1/2)=-1. > > Certainly. > > But we also see that (i²)² is not equal to 1, and that those who believe > it are corrupting themselves. > > R.H.