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From: RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 07:55:12 -0000 (UTC)
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On 2025-02-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-02-24 9:10 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 20:55:55 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> 
>>> If you can still get Windows or MacOS
>>> running on the machine and it doesn't lock you out in any way, don't
>>> bother with Linux. It's fine, but it's not always worth the struggle.
>> 
>> I think people are habituated to the kind of struggles you need to get
>> Windows working, so they discount those compared to effort on a Linux
>> installation. Because Linux is less familiar (even though the
>> configuration setups are better understood), that is somehow seen as a
>> greater struggle.
>
> It's not even that. Even if you have the patience to set Linux up 
> properly, you'll find that a good amount of your hardware won't end up 
> working. There are always people here and there who claim that they get 
> it working, but when you follow their own instructions and the 
> distribution they've used, you get different results. Heck, I followed 
> the instructions to enable the hardware encryption of my nvme through 
> Linux and, lo and behold, they didn't work. It works fine in Windows if 
> you follow the instructions (which require you to have a separate 
> Windows installation on a USB drive), but Linux won't even get past the 
> unlocking stage. That is part of why a lot of us just stick to Windows 
> or MacOS.

It doesn't take much patience to install Linux. In twenty minutes it's 
installed and fully updated for me — including most of the applications. 
Can't do that with Windows hobbyware. (This depends on how fast your 
Internet is — I'm moving soon so my Internet may soon be slower.)

> I just got my 2017 MacBook Air with MacOS Monterey yesterday. I am 
> surprised that most of the software I need installs fine (except 
> Microsoft Office 365 which requires at least MacOS 13), and the hardware 
> is in perfect order. The SSD still has 75% health, the inside of the 
> laptop was fairly clean, HDMI sound somehow works through a 
> mini-DisplayPort to HDMI adapter and suspend/wake works as it should. 
> There is no reason to install Linux on this, an eight-year-old Mac I got 
> for $150. Considering that, I now wonder what hardware is a candidate 
> for Linux.

My 2012 Mac Mini works fine with Linux Mint 21.3. I dual boot it with Mac 
Monterey (using OpenCore). I guess Monterey is now also outdated. I hear 
that Ventura is a step too far for these old machines — so this Mac will 
probably never be up to date again on the Mac side. On the Linux side I can 
probably keep updating it for another ten years.

So you're back in the Mac fold? (You're almost as "computer restless" as I 
am.)

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien