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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 17:12:25 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 26 Message-ID: <vpnehd$2kaqd$2@dont-email.me> References: <vo6420$3mpmf$1@dont-email.me> <f9a0a18d52ac35171173e0c60c9062e03343ad68@i2pn2.org> <vote0u$nf28$1@dont-email.me> <3b8a5f4be53047b2a6c03f9678d0253e137d3c40@i2pn2.org> <votn1l$pb7c$1@dont-email.me> <5cd9bc55c484f10efd7818ecadf169a11fcc58e1@i2pn2.org> <votq5o$ppgs$1@dont-email.me> <vouu57$12hqt$3@dont-email.me> <vp1jkg$1kstl$1@dont-email.me> <vp1qp1$1m05h$2@dont-email.me> <vp46l6$26r1n$1@dont-email.me> <vp5t55$2gt2s$1@dont-email.me> <vp6pmb$2opvi$1@dont-email.me> <vp8700$30tdq$1@dont-email.me> <vp9ct8$3af6t$1@dont-email.me> <vpav34$3jct4$1@dont-email.me> <vpc3u9$3skb7$1@dont-email.me> <vpcsvk$irt$2@dont-email.me> <vpev2e$fgop$1@dont-email.me> <vpfmpp$j7qb$6@dont-email.me> <vphbnb$10gus$1@dont-email.me> <vpivp4$1fvqe$6@dont-email.me> <vpklrk$21jn9$1@dont-email.me> <vplbnp$25vp2$5@dont-email.me> <b122ed1dc2c636321627d4dfc7936e463f920690@i2pn2.org> <vpltcn$28j3a$6@dont-email.me> <7eb818791abdbf7830165a16375b0aa7c82be013@i2pn2.org> <vpn9eu$2jkdj$4@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 17:12:29 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="3b0d5cc89004f09826bb8664261fd61d"; logging-data="2763597"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+AEu+/ACcEjMibAbo/KdBt" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:1gxQEXNXL2orYP2nC0bqOHsY8Bo= Content-Language: nl, en-GB In-Reply-To: <vpn9eu$2jkdj$4@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3046 Op 26.feb.2025 om 15:45 schreef olcott: > On 2/26/2025 3:29 AM, joes wrote: >> Am Tue, 25 Feb 2025 20:13:43 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>> On 2/25/2025 5:41 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > > >>> The behavior of DD emulated by HHH only refers to DD and the fact that >>> HHH emulates this DD. >> On on hand, the simulator can have no influence on the execution. > >> On the other, that same simulator is part of the program. >> You don't understand this simple entanglement. >> > > Unless having no influence causes itself to > never terminate then the one influence that > it must have is stopping the emulation of this input. > If the influence is that it does not complete the simulation, but aborts it, then the programmer should understand that the simulated simulation has the same behaviour, causing halting behaviour. Aborting a program with halting behaviour does not change it into non-halting. It is childish to claim that when you close your eyes, things do not happen.