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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: The actual code of HHH Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 10:26:34 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 37 Message-ID: <vppb4e$323f6$1@dont-email.me> References: <f73c3b97590a4d189e33a2cf255ed3337e56d3cf@i2pn2.org> <vpo6v9$2p51t$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 10:26:39 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="801de420309e45bd299e26acc94af94a"; logging-data="3214822"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18HFC40pT6Bpp1cfwMQXrv1" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:WAsNUloLD31KjEGeBdqd0qWywog= Content-Language: nl, en-GB In-Reply-To: <vpo6v9$2p51t$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2876 Op 27.feb.2025 om 00:09 schreef olcott: > On 2/26/2025 3:52 PM, joes wrote: >> Since there is so much talk around, but not really about it, >> let's take a look: >> https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/ >> 48b4cbfeb3f486507276a5fc4e9b10875ab24dbf/Halt7.c#L1081 >> In line 1137, we compute a flag: >> u32 Root = Init_Halts_HH(&Aborted, &execution_trace, &decoded, &code_end, >> (u32)P, &master_state, &slave_state, &slave_stack); >> In line 918, we find it basically checks for the magic number >> **execution_trace==0x90909090. What is this unexplained value? >> >> We then pass the saved flag in line 1143: >> if (Decide_Halting_HH(&Aborted, &execution_trace, &decoded, >> code_end, End_Of_Code, &master_state, &slave_state, &slave_stack, Root)), >> defined in line 1030. >> Then we get a switch: >> 1059 if (Root) // Master UTM halt decider >> Line 1070 is then conditionally skipped: >> Needs_To_Be_Aborted_HH((Decoded_Line_Of_Code*)**execution_trace); >> defined in line 1012, which (on a jmp or call instruction) calls >> u32 Needs_To_Be_Aborted_Trace_HH(Decoded_Line_Of_Code* execution_trace, >> Decoded_Line_Of_Code *current) >> in line 964, where the abort logic lives. (It basically triggers >> on a call or jump to itself.) >> >> So we only abort depending on the address of the execution trace. >> This makes no sense. Why is that? >> > > DD emulated by HHH according to the behavior that the x86 > machine code of DD cannot possibly terminate normally thus > HHH is infallibly correct to report that this DD emulated > by HHH (not any other DD in the whole freaking universe) > is not-terminating. No, it is correct to report that HHH is unable to correctly simulate this halting program up to its end.