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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: The actual code of HHH Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 12:55:15 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 47 Message-ID: <vpqcek$37v45$1@dont-email.me> References: <f73c3b97590a4d189e33a2cf255ed3337e56d3cf@i2pn2.org> <vpo6v9$2p51t$1@dont-email.me> <vppb4e$323f6$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 19:55:17 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a411d0b11a3cdd795023b06d93853175"; logging-data="3406981"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+517VbDOtQNOJdMMfffV8y" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:qGjNBtyTY+81DWM8AoGKiLgBZzI= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250227-10, 2/27/2025), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vppb4e$323f6$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3308 On 2/27/2025 3:26 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > Op 27.feb.2025 om 00:09 schreef olcott: >> On 2/26/2025 3:52 PM, joes wrote: >>> Since there is so much talk around, but not really about it, >>> let's take a look: >>> https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/ >>> 48b4cbfeb3f486507276a5fc4e9b10875ab24dbf/Halt7.c#L1081 >>> In line 1137, we compute a flag: >>> u32 Root = Init_Halts_HH(&Aborted, &execution_trace, &decoded, >>> &code_end, >>> (u32)P, &master_state, &slave_state, &slave_stack); >>> In line 918, we find it basically checks for the magic number >>> **execution_trace==0x90909090. What is this unexplained value? >>> >>> We then pass the saved flag in line 1143: >>> if (Decide_Halting_HH(&Aborted, &execution_trace, &decoded, >>> code_end, End_Of_Code, &master_state, &slave_state, &slave_stack, >>> Root)), >>> defined in line 1030. >>> Then we get a switch: >>> 1059 if (Root) // Master UTM halt decider >>> Line 1070 is then conditionally skipped: >>> Needs_To_Be_Aborted_HH((Decoded_Line_Of_Code*)**execution_trace); >>> defined in line 1012, which (on a jmp or call instruction) calls >>> u32 Needs_To_Be_Aborted_Trace_HH(Decoded_Line_Of_Code* execution_trace, >>> Decoded_Line_Of_Code *current) >>> in line 964, where the abort logic lives. (It basically triggers >>> on a call or jump to itself.) >>> >>> So we only abort depending on the address of the execution trace. >>> This makes no sense. Why is that? >>> >> >> DD emulated by HHH according to the behavior that the x86 >> machine code of DD cannot possibly terminate normally thus >> HHH is infallibly correct to report that this DD emulated >> by HHH (not any other DD in the whole freaking universe) >> is not-terminating. > No, it is correct to report that HHH is unable to correctly simulate > this halting program up to its end. That you do not comprehend that infinite recursion DOES NOT END is your ignorance. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer