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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies
 non-terminating behavior to HHH
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 14:18:55 -0600
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On 2/27/2025 3:58 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
> Op 27.feb.2025 om 05:49 schreef olcott:
>> On 2/26/2025 10:12 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>> Op 26.feb.2025 om 15:45 schreef olcott:
>>>> On 2/26/2025 3:29 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>> Am Tue, 25 Feb 2025 20:13:43 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>> On 2/25/2025 5:41 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> The behavior of DD emulated by HHH only refers to DD and the fact 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> HHH emulates this DD.
>>>>> On on hand, the simulator can have no influence on the execution.
>>>>
>>>>> On the other, that same simulator is part of the program.
>>>>> You don't understand this simple entanglement.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unless having no influence causes itself to
>>>> never terminate then the one influence that
>>>> it must have is stopping the emulation of this input.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If the influence is that it does not complete the simulation, but 
>>> aborts it, then the programmer should understand that the simulated 
>>> simulation has the same behaviour, causing halting behaviour.
>>
>> We have only been talking abort normal termination of a
>> C function for several weeks. Perhaps you have no
>> idea what "normal termination" means.
> 
> It seems that Olcott does not understand the terminology. It has been 
> proven by direct execution that the finite string given to HHH describes 
> a program that terminates normally.



> That HHH is unable to reach this normally termination is a failure of 
> HHH. This failure of HHH does not change the behaviour described by this 
> finite string.
> 
>>
>>> Aborting a program with halting behaviour
>>
>> We have not been talking about halting for a long
>> time. This term has proven to be far too vague.
>> Normal termination of a C function means reaching
>> its "return" instruction. Zero vagueness.
> 
> Introducing the concept of aborting a program before it can reach its 
> return instruction to prove its 'non-termination' makes it even more vague.
> 
>>
>>
>>>  does not change it into non- halting. It is childish to claim that 
>>> when you close your eyes, things do not happen.
>>
>> You can't even keep track of what we are talking about.
>>
> 
> Change of subject to avoid a honest discussion.
> It is childish to claim that things do not happen when you close your eyes.
> 

When I say that DD emulated by HHH cannot terminate
normally it is flat out dishonest to say that I am
wrong based on another different DD that has different behavior.

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